Did the May 2024 firmware update 2.1.1. solve your M11 freezing problems?

[jonoslack]

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6 hours ago, colint544 said:

Hmm - taking pictures out on the street yesterday in warm weather, with the latest firmware. Three crashes requiring a battery pull, and two images appearing upside down. Neither of those things happened previously. So it's not all beer and skittles.

 

Hi There Colin

Were the crashes like others? ie

take a few pictures . . . 

shutter doesn't respond (sometimes you can still use the menus)

switch the camera off - screen goes blank and red light stays on

need to pull battery to fix.

As for the upside-down pictures - this was a problem for some people on previous firmware versions. 

[jonoslack]

22 minutes ago, colint544 said:

The files are not upside down on the camera, but on Photo Mechanic, which I use to browse the images. Files are all the same size.

Perspective correction is always turned off. At least the fault where occasional frames are sometimes overexposed seems to have been vanquished.

Leica seem to be playing Whack A Mole with these firmware patches.

 

5 hours ago, lct said:

Never had an upside-down image until now. This is not normal at all. I wonder how beta tests are carried out if they let such errors through.

 

4 hours ago, lct said:

No but if it happened to you it will happen to others i fear.

Quite a lot of people had problems with upside down pictures in early versions of the firmware 🫣

[lct]

1 minute ago, jonoslack said:

Quite a lot of people had problems with upside down pictures in early versions of the firmware 🫣

I don't recall reports on issues like this but do you know if Leica tried to fix them already? Just curious as i never got this problem myself with any camera.

[jonoslack]

1 minute ago, lct said:

I don't recall reports on issues like this but do you know if Leica tried to fix them already? Just curious as i never got this problem myself with any camera.

It wasn't reported here very much I think, but it was certainly an issue - but I thought it was fixed ages ago. . . . . . . . 

[geoffc60]

My SL2S froze whilst I was in NYC a couple of weeks ago - quick removal and replacement of the battery sorted things out. ALL of my digital cameras have exhibited this sort of behaviour from time to time and I accept it. Of course some people can't so populate forums every time this happens with detailed descriptions.

The corrupted DNG files that SOME were experiencing would concern me but since the latest firmware was released I believe it may have been fixed? Upside down images is a new one I must admit.

When the M12 is released this forum will probably be discussing issues with that as well!

I'll be sticking to v1.6.2 that was factory installed when I bought my M11 last year and which has operated faultlessly (touch wood!).

Edited June 2, 2024 by geoffc60

[Smogg]

1 hour ago, jonoslack said:

 

 

Quite a lot of people had problems with upside down pictures in early versions of the firmware 🫣

I ran into this on Q3. Of the approximately 1,500 photographs of the children's party, about 50 photographs were rotated 90 or 180 degrees. But I didn't consider it a big problem and didn't complain about this fact.

[colint544]

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1 hour ago, jonoslack said:

Hi There Colin

Were the crashes like others? ie

take a few pictures . . . 

shutter doesn't respond (sometimes you can still use the menus)

switch the camera off - screen goes blank and red light stays on

need to pull battery to fix.

As for the upside-down pictures - this was a problem for some people on previous firmware versions. 

Hi Jono,

Thanks - it was after taking a series of pictures. The screen would go black, the camera unresponsive, and the orange light on the back of the camera lit up and stayed on. After maybe 15 seconds of that, I switched off the camera, but the light stayed on. A battery pull got the camera up and running again.

The upside down pictures - just the two - only appeared that way when browsing in Photo Mechanic. They're the right way round on the camera LCD. 

I've been using the camera again today, and it's back to being on its best behaviour.

[Knorp]

2 hours ago, hdmesa said:

 

I should have separated my response you're both referring to into two separate posts. @Knorp, the first part of that post was not directed at you, and I'm sorry it appeared that way when reading it.

The posts below are the kind of reports I don't immediately trust until I see others reporting the same. The first one below had even fewer posts under their belt at the time they originally posted:

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@hdmesa: I didn't read it that way, so no hard feelings at all !

Best regards.

[Smogg]

I was one of the most vocal complainers about the M11, but after updating to 2.1.1, both of my M11 cameras did not freeze. Although, I must admit, I didn’t use them intensively, I took only about 200 frames, and I didn’t use Continues Hi and I’m trying to give up the habit of turning off the camera after taking a photo in order to minimize the number of on/off switches.

[Patech]

Solved for me (knock on wood). Would previously have freezes every session, even after 2 trips to Leica NJ. Happy camper now. 

[AllenB]

On 5/23/2024 at 8:27 AM, LUF Admin said:

The new firmware v.2.1.1 for Leica M11, M11-M and M11-P is available today. The update includes a number of stability and performance improvements. 

The improvements:

• Camera did not start if the start process was previously interrupted by switching off the camera.
• Occasional generation of incorrect image data has been fixed.
• Various errors and causes of freezes have been fixed.
• Improving the stability of the firmware.

You can download the firmware from the following links:

• Leica M11: v.2.1.1
• Leica M11-M: v.2.1.1
• Leica M11-P: v.2.1.1

I just received my m11-P last week and it came already loaded with v.2.1.1 and I have not had any issues at all, hopefully this is the fix.

[marchyman]

The camera has a sensor. It's the thing that drives the level indicator.   It detect when the camera is rotated or tilted.  Same as my phone.  And like my phone LrC sometimes decides that an image should be rotated and displays it as such.  Since it takes maybe a second to click on the button to correct this I've never considered it a big deal. 

If you use a tool such as ExifTool to inspect image metadata you'll see these items:

Orientation                     : Rotate 180

Pitch Angle                     : 5.4190001487
Roll Angle                      : -0.6430000066

To confuse things the OS, at least macOS -- tries to be helpful.  If I rotate the image 180 and take a picture it shows as upside down if I hit play on the camera, but if I put the memory card into my mac and look at the image in Finder it shows as right side up.  That's probably because of the Orientation.

Anyway, I wonder if the Orientation on the flipped images is set incorrect by the camera or something else?

Edited June 2, 2024 by marchyman

[setuporg]

12 hours ago, lct said:

Just trying to take upside down photos but I can't manage it. I won't have to do a headstand hopefully 🙃

Just go to Australia!

Edited June 3, 2024 by setuporg

[LeicaR10]

Setuporg,   We do a lot of things upside down here and things still do not work.  Lastest from those in the "know" down under in Oz....this is all due to "climate change and solar storms"....go figure.   Frankly, I suspect some M11s have counterfeit components in the boards, hence some are affected and others not...to admit such would require a huge recall and we know how that goes.  But this is all sheer speculation on my part and former owner/user of 3 M11 variants.  I just hope the M11 issues get resolved for those who own them.  r/ Mark

Edited June 3, 2024 by LeicaR10

[S58]

Didn’t solve mine.. just heading into winter here in OZ and I’m definitely freezing… 🤣 The M11P however is working as it should!!!

[LeicaR10]

S58,  You should move up here to the Gold Coast.  Good to hear your M11-P is working and not freezing like those in Tasmania and Melbourne.  I tried putting my M11-P under the electric blanket but the power blackout made for more freezing.  Other than that, the M10s and SL2s are working.  Last week I got photographs of the annual polar bear migration on Bondi beach when I was down in Sydney.  Stay warm...hope the American/Aussie humor got you laughing.  r/ Mark

[lct]

5 hours ago, setuporg said:

Just go to Australia!

Power blackouts to avoid camera blackouts seriously? 😄Just kidding.

[R4p70r]

12 hours ago, marchyman said:

The camera has a sensor. It's the thing that drives the level indicator.   It detect when the camera is rotated or tilted.  Same as my phone.  And like my phone LrC sometimes decides that an image should be rotated and displays it as such.  Since it takes maybe a second to click on the button to correct this I've never considered it a big deal. 

If you use a tool such as ExifTool to inspect image metadata you'll see these items:

Orientation                     : Rotate 180

Pitch Angle                     : 5.4190001487
Roll Angle                      : -0.6430000066

To confuse things the OS, at least macOS -- tries to be helpful.  If I rotate the image 180 and take a picture it shows as upside down if I hit play on the camera, but if I put the memory card into my mac and look at the image in Finder it shows as right side up.  That's probably because of the Orientation.

Anyway, I wonder if the Orientation on the flipped images is set incorrect by the camera or something else?

Exactly.

@colint544 can check the orientation of the image file itself if the M11 set the orientation wrong. The file properties and EXIF date should show this.

At work I programmed a C# program to correct that issue when clients send in photos taken with their smartphones to have proof for their insurance claims.

[DadDadDaddyo]

While shooting with the M11 today (documentary shots of some work we're having done around the house) I was exercising the new-to-me Tri-Elmar MATE, merrily selecting different focal lengths for the various shots, shooting away, and not really paying any attention to the camera body....

And then, after taking a shot, I shut it off. And the light was still on. And I thought, "Oh Schmidt..."

And then I saw a message on the rear screen, to the effect of, "file saving in progress" or something similar. It was there for a moment or two, then disappeared... and the red light went out. 

Hmm! So I turned the camera back on, and it was as if nothing had happened. I didn't try turning it back on while the red light was on. It all happened so fast I didn't really process it while it was happening. 

In fact, nothing did happen, except that the body let me know in writing that it was still busy for a moment, a time frame corresponding to the red light being on while the system finished its chores. 

I don't recall seeing behavior like this before. Has it always worked this way? Could be. 

Anyway, it's working beautifully for me. 

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[LocalHero1953]

7 hours ago, DadDadDaddyo said:

While shooting with the M11 today (documentary shots of some work we're having done around the house) I was exercising the new-to-me Tri-Elmar MATE, merrily selecting different focal lengths for the various shots, shooting away, and not really paying any attention to the camera body....

And then, after taking a shot, I shut it off. And the light was still on. And I thought, "Oh Schmidt..."

And then I saw a message on the rear screen, to the effect of, "file saving in progress" or something similar. It was there for a moment or two, then disappeared... and the red light went out. 

Hmm! So I turned the camera back on, and it was as if nothing had happened. I didn't try turning it back on while the red light was on. It all happened so fast I didn't really process it while it was happening. 

In fact, nothing did happen, except that the body let me know in writing that it was still busy for a moment, a time frame corresponding to the red light being on while the system finished its chores. 

I don't recall seeing behavior like this before. Has it always worked this way? Could be. 

Anyway, it's working beautifully for me. 

Yes, it’s happened to me on other Leica cameras (I can’t remember which, but I don’t have a M11). It was usually when I’d taken several single shots in sequence (I rarely use burst mode). Never gave it another thought.