Jono Slack Review: Leica M11 Monochrome

[algrove]

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Thanks so very much. Nuances are always important.

So IN=SD is my friend especially once you determine no jpgs, since then it records only DNG's anyway even though it says DNG+JPG.

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[jonoslack]

1 hour ago, algrove said:

Thanks so very much. Nuances are always important.

So IN=SD is my friend especially once you determine no jpgs, since then it records only DNG's anyway even though it says DNG+JPG.

My pleasure - That's right - DNG on both.

 

[Chaemono]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb jonoslack:

[...|I use highlight weighted or spot, but set the EV compensation to -1/3 or -2/3 to make sure there are no blown highlights (don't use the clipping warning). Exposure compensation is your friend (put it on the rear dial) and remember you can recover about 7 stops of under-exposure but no over-exposure!

Have Fun

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Jono

I want to test this in bright outdoor conditions with sunlight hitting a white wall in the background/behind subjects. Given the metering and the DR of the M11M, I think even 0 EV would work in bright outdoor settings unless there is a light source in the scene. 

This one is with the EV -1/3. I used centre-weighted metering. This is in Mainz the first day I went out with the camera. I have another one in Frankfurt from the same day in bright conditions with 0 EV, centre-weighted metering. The subjects, out of respect for their privacy faces not captured, are not exactly in the shade here, but with no other FF camera would one have dared to get such an evenly exposed image with a white wall in the background hit by sunlight, IMO. This is from the DNG converted to TIFF in Preview and then exported from LR to meet LUF specifications. 

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Edited April 18, 2023 by Chaemono

[algrove]

Jono

After a few test shots, I am over the moon with this Mono. Best Mono yet IMHO. That meter!!

[Chaemono]

It's the combination of the metering and the higher DR. A good meter alone would still underexpose parts of the picture a lot in high contrast scenes. The DR is more key here because highlight-weighted, spot, centre-weighted metering seem to provide good results. 

[algrove]

Jono

I have ignored the A setting on the SS dial as I am a manual purist to my short comings. Now I am understanding once set to Hybrid how the A setting can get all I want at 1.4, 1.0 or 0.95 for static images even in bright midday sun. Now I can leave my f-stops wide open when wanted and probably leave my VND filters at home. That said I often like a red filter so that also cuts back on light transmission. Stubborn me.

Edited April 19, 2023 by algrove

[Bill W]

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[algrove]

In the M11M manual I cannot find where it says that using the SS dial set to A will induce the electronic shutter if over 1/4000 needed. I guess it is logical, but not stated.

Anyone know the page number in the Manual that specifically mentions this feature? Thanks.

[jonoslack]

12 minutes ago, algrove said:

In the M11M manual I cannot find where it says that using the SS dial set to A will induce the electronic shutter if over 1/4000 needed. I guess it is logical, but not stated.

Anyone know the page number in the Manual that specifically mentions this feature? Thanks.

On page 3 of the menu, under 'shutter type' you can choose 'mechanical' electrical or 'hybrid'. If you set it on hybrid it will automatically change to electronic for shutter speeds over 4000, if you have it set differently then it will do as it's told!

Sorry, I don't have a manual to check with!

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[algrove]

3 hours ago, jonoslack said:

On page 3 of the menu, under 'shutter type' you can choose 'mechanical' electrical or 'hybrid'. If you set it on hybrid it will automatically change to electronic for shutter speeds over 4000, if you have it set differently then it will do as it's told!

Sorry, I don't have a manual to check with!

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Thanks Jono. BUT it will only auto switch over to electronic shutter if: Shutter is on Hybrid and if the SS dial is on A, right?

Meaning Hybrid alone will not work unless SS dial set to A. Or is there more to it? Dealers do not seem to know, only you.

[erudolph]

I believe if the shutter speed is set to a number, the shutter will stay with that number.  When in Hybrid mode, to switch between mechanical and electronic automatically, the dial must be set to A.

[Chaemono]

The ISO wheel and the SS wheel work the same. That’s why they have numbers and an A on them (ISO wheel has another letter, too). I would hate to choose a certain ISO and then the camera decides to use Auto ISO and goes higher. 😂

Edited April 21, 2023 by Chaemono

[Jeff S]

1 hour ago, Chaemono said:

The ISO wheel and the SS wheel work the same. That’s why they have numbers and an A on them (ISO wheel has another letter, too).

Yep…exposure triangle: only auto mode an M doesn’t have is shutter priority.
 

Jeff

[elmars]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb erudolph:

I believe if the shutter speed is set to a number, the shutter will stay with that number.  When in Hybrid mode, to switch between mechanical and electronic automatically, the dial must be set to A.

If You use the remote control in the Leica App You can overrule the SS dial of the camera ans set shutter speed to shorter values than 1/4000.

[ianforber]

On 4/20/2023 at 6:28 PM, algrove said:

Thanks Jono. BUT it will only auto switch over to electronic shutter if: Shutter is on Hybrid and if the SS dial is on A, right?

Meaning Hybrid alone will not work unless SS dial set to A. Or is there more to it? Dealers do not seem to know, only you.

That’s how it works on the M11 and I can’t image in being different in the M11M. I almost always have it set to hybrid and shutter speed to A  the only downside is that when it goes electronic I sometimes think that the camera isn’t working because I can’t hear the sound of the shutter! 

Edited April 23, 2023 by ianforber

[algrove]

I wonder if there is in fact a way to KNOW when an image has been captured with the ES? Many say they cannot hear it and frankly I probably have that issue too since I often take too many images of the same scene thinking I did not press the shutter hard enough or whatever.

Just happen to think perhaps turning on the sound could help or is that another camera system I am thinking about.

[rustyrus]

2 minutes ago, algrove said:

I wonder if there is in fact a way to KNOW when an image has been captured with the ES? Many say they cannot hear it and frankly I probably have that issue too since I often take too many images of the same scene thinking I did not press the shutter hard enough or whatever.

Just happen to think perhaps turning on the sound could help or is that another camera system I am thinking about.

It needs a sound...I always have it set to hybrid and like that it switches for me, need some sort of affirmation though. Using the viewfinder, you obviously get no notice a picture happened. 

[scott kirkpatrick]

Of course you can't hear it.  The pixels are just voltages, transferred from tiny sensor cells to a collecting bus by other voltages.  Any shutter sound will be a fabrication, like the exhaust note of an electric car.

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[rustyrus]

5 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

Of course you can't hear it.  The pixels are just voltages, transferred from tiny sensor cells to a collecting bus by other voltages.  Any shutter sound will be a fabrication, like the exhaust note of an electric car.

Exactly...Create a sound in Firmware and make a little menu option to turn on or off. 

[hdmesa]

22 hours ago, algrove said:

I wonder if there is in fact a way to KNOW when an image has been captured with the ES? Many say they cannot hear it and frankly I probably have that issue too since I often take too many images of the same scene thinking I did not press the shutter hard enough or whatever.

Just happen to think perhaps turning on the sound could help or is that another camera system I am thinking about.

The shutter speed digits switch to a dashed line when the electronic exposure is taken:  – – –