jakontil Posted January 3, 2023 Share #581 Posted January 3, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, FrankX said: As long as you are not shooting a wedding... 😉 Frankly speaking, I was a bit nervous shooting the 'first kiss' during a wedding ceremony with my M11 this year. P.S.: Had about 2-3 freezes in 8 months using an old Sandisk UHS-1 64 MB card. BTW, I don't really believe it is a card issue. I feel you! Dang.. when it freezes and moment just flew away.. ask them to do one more time 😀 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hdmesa Posted January 3, 2023 Share #582 Posted January 3, 2023 9 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: I had an M11 freeze a few days ago, shooting with a 64GB SanDisk Pro purchased from Amazon a year ago. Previous shooting with a slightly newer 128 GB SanDisk Pro (both of these marked 300 MB/sec) has not seen freezes. Not a big problem. Pop battery, count to three, push back in and it continues working. Amazon is the place to buy from if you want a 95% chance of getting a counterfeit SD card. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 3, 2023 Share #583 Posted January 3, 2023 48 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Amazon is the place to buy from if you want a 95% chance of getting a counterfeit SD card. I may have bought them from B&H, but I use both, and in the case of Amazon, stick to the Prime product. I got some bad ones from Amazon at a lower price a few years back. They were completely bogus, and never worked. Nothing intermittent about them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 3, 2023 Share #584 Posted January 3, 2023 I have yet to find an obviously defective SD card and usually buy Sandisk from Amazon - Amazon's own supply rather than a third party's. I don't doubt they're there, though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 3, 2023 Share #585 Posted January 3, 2023 I am wary of generalizations that such or such supplier provides worse quality memory cards than others. When I am confronted with such generalizations, I often get the impression that it comes from a competitor of that supplier or an affiliate of that competitor, especially when the generalization in question is not supported by any evidence, link or justification. Nothing personal . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 3, 2023 Share #586 Posted January 3, 2023 3 hours ago, lct said: I am wary of generalizations that such or such supplier provides worse quality memory cards than others. When I am confronted with such generalizations, I often get the impression that it comes from a competitor of that supplier or an affiliate of that competitor, especially when the generalization in question is not supported by any evidence, link or justification. Nothing personal . There are two main manufacturing models for SD cards: 1) Cards built with a PCB enclosed within a two part plastic shell, where the shell halves are sonic welded together. These are the lowest cost and lowest grade. The issue with these cards is that the sonic welds fail, causing the shell to split, and plastic parts to fall off, jamming your SD card slot. These cards are not Pro grade, even if they say Pro on them and have a fast UHSII rating. Most/all fake cards use this technology because it's the cheapest to manufacture. 2) Cards built with a PCB molded into a single piece SD card, with no separate shell parts - it's all molded as a single unit. These cards are far more robust, with no seams to fail, and are Pro quality. They usually cost more, but come with serial #s and warranties. This helps avoid fakes, which are rife in the 2 part shell market, even from big sellers like Amazon Prime / Costco etc. Delkin Black are single piece SD cards, have serial numbers, and a warranty with 48 hr replacement in case of issue. These are Pro grade cards, and are what I have used for the last 10 years with my GFX systems, and now my Leicas. I lost a camera body to SD card damage, and it cost me $700 for a new motherboard - all because of a failed Sandisk (or Sandisk fake) SD card jamming my SD card slot. The variance in construction quality is not well known or understood - most people believe that 'all cards are basically the same'. This is demonstrably not the case. And even Pro cards from a manufacturer can have issues with specific camera models (Sony with Leica M11 apparently). More details on the Delkin Black cards HERE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 3, 2023 Share #587 Posted January 3, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, lct said: I am wary of generalizations that such or such supplier provides worse quality memory cards than others. When I am confronted with such generalizations, I often get the impression that it comes from a competitor of that supplier or an affiliate of that competitor, especially when the generalization in question is not supported by any evidence, link or justification. Nothing personal . Why would card manufacturers be immune from differences between brands? Sony Tough are obviously physically stronger, so I hate they don’t work well on the M11. They work great on my SL2-S, though (the slower ones anyway). And there are speed differences with nuances between the brands. CDodkin has a ton of pro experience, so I would pay attention even if you are skeptical. I don’t think he’s a Delkin Black ambassador, but sometimes even ambassadors get it right and work with a brand they trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 3, 2023 Share #588 Posted January 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, hdmesa said: CDodkin has a ton of pro experience, so I would pay attention even if you are skeptical. I don’t think he’s a Delkin Black ambassador, but sometimes even ambassadors get it right and work with a brand they trust. I did not mean that CDodkin is trying to sell anything on this forum. I don't know him and i respect everybody on the LUF but someone advising to use Sony Tough cards on the M11 will never sell anything related to memory cards to me sorry. Well when i say never i exaggerate. Let's say not in a century . Just kidding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 3, 2023 Share #589 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, lct said: I did not mean that CDodkin is trying to sell anything on this forum. I don't know him and i respect everybody on the LUF but someone advising to use Sony Tough cards on the M11 will never sell anything related to memory cards to me sorry. Well when i say never i exaggerate. Let's say not in a century . Just kidding. The problem for me is buying another M11 plus an expensive Delkin Black just to test the theory is a no-go. Given that Leica did not fix the freezing issue with the latest firmware keeps me thinking it will not be fixed until around the timeframe of the M11-P. Edited January 3, 2023 by hdmesa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixeleater Posted January 3, 2023 Share #590 Posted January 3, 2023 The Sony Tough card does not work on my M10-R but does work on the SL2 and SL2-S. Consequently, I use the ProDigital on the M10-R without any issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 3, 2023 Share #591 Posted January 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, hdmesa said: The problem for me is buying another M11 plus an expensive Delkin Black just to test the theory is a no-go. Given that Leica did not fix the freezing issue with the latest firmware keeps me thinking it will not be fixed until around the timeframe of the M11-P. It has been fixed for me since i updated my old user profiles under firmware 1.6.0.0. I mean on both UHS-I and UHS-II Extreme Pro Sandisk cards. Now if you ask me to use a faster card, be it Delkin or whatever, thanks no thanks even if you give it to me. Brave but not foolhardy . 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRJ Posted January 3, 2023 Share #592 Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: The problem for me is buying another M11 plus an expensive Delkin Black just to test the theory is a no-go. Given that Leica did not fix the freezing issue with the latest firmware keeps me thinking it will not be fixed until around the timeframe of the M11-P. I have Delkin 64K Black cards, and yes, you do get an occasional freeze on my M11 with the latest firmware. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted January 4, 2023 Share #593 Posted January 4, 2023 Would those who have M11's that have exhibited issues say that in general firmware has advanced to a point where the camera is reasonably reliable now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted January 4, 2023 Share #594 Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Kiwimac said: Would those who have M11's that have exhibited issues say that in general firmware has advanced to a point where the camera is reasonably reliable now? Not for me. Freezing as much as before the latest firmware update. I’ll try to exchange it and see if the freezes still occur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 4, 2023 Share #595 Posted January 4, 2023 vor 20 Minuten schrieb Kiwimac: Would those who have M11's that have exhibited issues say that in general firmware has advanced to a point where the camera is reasonably reliable now? Yes! Whenever there is a Lightroom or macOS update, I check for problems before I update. There is always a greater or lesser variety of reports of problems. It seems to me that certain configurations are not working. It may be the same with the M11. The vast majority have no problems. For the others, for whom I am really very sorry because the camera should be a joy and not just there to work like a computer, Leica is looking for a solution. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 4, 2023 Share #596 Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Kiwimac said: Would those who have M11's that have exhibited issues say that in general firmware has advanced to a point where the camera is reasonably reliable now? Yes but i had to update my old user profiles under firmware 1.6.0.0 as i said above. I have the feeling to use a normal camera since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted January 4, 2023 Share #597 Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Kiwimac said: Would those who have M11's that have exhibited issues say that in general firmware has advanced to a point where the camera is reasonably reliable now? Generally speaking, my M11 has been okay, freezes only couple of times since bought it.. latest firmware only wish either it is as good if not better..still curious trying other sdcards though, sticking with sony non tough 300 read speed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 4, 2023 Share #598 Posted January 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Kiwimac said: Would those who have M11's that have exhibited issues say that in general firmware has advanced to a point where the camera is reasonably reliable now? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henners Posted January 4, 2023 Share #599 Posted January 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Kiwimac said: Would those who have M11's that have exhibited issues say that in general firmware has advanced to a point where the camera is reasonably reliable now? I'd say yes. I might be slightly wary of using it for a bride walking down the aisle, just in case, but other than mission critical things I have confidence in using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted January 4, 2023 Share #600 Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Henners said: I'd say yes. I might be slightly wary of using it for a bride walking down the aisle, just in case, but other than mission critical things I have confidence in using it. That’s a depressing thing to write about a Leica, isn’t it? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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