hdmesa Posted March 30, 2023 Share #1281 Posted March 30, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 minutes ago, Qlan said: 😢 Last resort is hand coding your lenses... Ugh. I just shouldn't have to do that when others have M11s that work fine with uncoded lenses – I would be accepting a defective M11 as ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Qlan Posted March 30, 2023 Share #1282 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Ugh. I just shouldn't have to do that when others have M11s that work fine with uncoded lenses – I would be accepting a defective M11 as ok. Totally understand. But as this point, I don't think it's a hardware issue. In which case, getting a new one won't do much. And I'm fine if it is a software bug, as long as it's not too disruptive. I don't find any good alternative to the M's size and IQ, but if you are happy with another system, go for it. Edited March 30, 2023 by Qlan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 30, 2023 Share #1283 Posted March 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Qlan said: Totally understand. But as this point, I don't think it's a hardware issue. In which case, getting a new one won't do much. And I'm fine if it is a software bug, as long as it's not too disruptive. I don't find any good alternative to the M's size and IQ, but if you are happy with another system, go for it. I agree with your description of the M, which is why I bought one. But since there are others who have copies of the M11 that can use uncoded lenses without freezes, I don't want to accept a lesser copy as ok for $9K. I'm ok with using my SL2-S Reporter with my M lenses until the M11-P comes out or I hear of yet another M11 firmware update specific to freezes with uncoded lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 30, 2023 Share #1284 Posted March 30, 2023 Just out of curiosity, do you have the same problems with other uncoded lenses? Apologies if you answered already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 30, 2023 Share #1285 Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, lct said: Just out of curiosity, do you have the same problems with other uncoded lenses? Apologies if you answered already. I just now received my 75 1.9 about an hour ago, and I'm trying it on the M11 to see if I still get freezes. This will be the thing to check with this copy of the M11 – to determine if the problem is specifically my CV 35 1.5 or all uncoded lenses. Granted, two uncoded lenses is not a large test pool, but it's all I have at the moment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1286 Posted March 31, 2023 Am 29.3.2023 um 23:26 schrieb hdmesa: Leica is/was doing that. They had a long list of question for me when I emailed them about my last M11 freezing. I'm sure they're throwing it all into a spreadsheet for analysis. makes sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1287 Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Update: I’ve been keeping Leica updated on my freezing issue via email with the open case from my previous M11. Yesterday I followed up letting them know the freezing returned with the 35 1.5 after trying the Delkin Black card, and I had decided to return or exchange it. I just received a reply asking me to hold off on returning my M11 to the dealer if possible as they are discussing an option, but it may take a few days to figure out. I’m encouraged they are looking into the issue, so this is great news. I had wrongly assumed the updates I was emailing them were being added to the case but not being looked into. I’ll report back here when I hear back from Leica. Edited March 31, 2023 by hdmesa 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas fry Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1288 Posted March 31, 2023 I have the same issue, but I think the freezing happens when coming out of power saving mode. I tried a variety of cards in various permutations of DNG on SD and JPG on internal, etc but it wasnt until I set the power saving mode to 'Camera Standby 60mins' and 'Display Standby off' the freezing stopped. I think the M11 or at least my M11 doesnt like sleeping or at least coming out of sleep mode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1289 Posted March 31, 2023 35 minutes ago, douglas fry said: it wasnt until I set the power saving mode to 'Camera Standby 60mins' and 'Display Standby off' the freezing stopped. I think the M11 or at least my M11 doesnt like sleeping or at least coming out of sleep mode Thank you for sharing. FWIW i got no freezes with Camera standby 2 min and Display standby 30s (FW 1.6.1, UHS1 @ UHS2 Sandisk cards) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shavou Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1290 Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, douglas fry said: I have the same issue, but I think the freezing happens when coming out of power saving mode. I tried a variety of cards in various permutations of DNG on SD and JPG on internal, etc but it wasnt until I set the power saving mode to 'Camera Standby 60mins' and 'Display Standby off' the freezing stopped. I think the M11 or at least my M11 doesnt like sleeping or at least coming out of sleep mode Exactly the same scenario here! freezes only happen when camera waking up from sleep ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1291 Posted March 31, 2023 Hdmesa and I are experiencing a different kind of freeze (across 6 M11 bodies for the both of us). It happens at startup, not wakeup, and most often than not, after mounting a non-coded lens. Btw, just experienced a freeze yesterday after taking a picture: shutter opened (but didn't close, and no it wasn't a long exposure), red light on, cannot do anything. Once I removed and re-inserted the battery, the image wasn't taken. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1292 Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Qlan said: Hdmesa and I are experiencing a different kind of freeze (across 6 M11 bodies for the both of us). It happens at startup, not wakeup, and most often than not, after mounting a non-coded lens. Btw, just experienced a freeze yesterday after taking a picture: shutter opened (but didn't close, and no it wasn't a long exposure), red light on, cannot do anything. Once I removed and re-inserted the battery, the image wasn't taken. Until they have a firmware fix, I did find switching to only to internal memory stopped the freezes (then I would insert the SD and manually copy them to back up or transfer). Or it's possible I didn't try that long enough for the freezing to come back, but it's something you might try if you haven't already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1293 Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, hdmesa said: Until they have a firmware fix, I did find switching to only to internal memory stopped the freezes (then I would insert the SD and manually copy them to back up or transfer). Or it's possible I didn't try that long enough for the freezing to come back, but it's something you might try if you haven't already. Why don't you and Qlan just return your Leicas for a refund? No way would I let it consume my life as it appears to have done for you. My M11 has been fine, but if other manufacturers can release very sophisticated cameras that work without such problems it does make you wonder that either the development or production capabilities at Leica are severely lacking. The M11 is mechanically complex, but the electronics are in no way at the cutting edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Filmmatic Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1294 Posted March 31, 2023 Had my first freeze yesterday and I just turned it off and on, was all good after that. Current firmware Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1295 Posted March 31, 2023 37 minutes ago, Corius said: Why don't you and Qlan just return your Leicas for a refund? No way would I let it consume my life as it appears to have done for you. My M11 has been fine, but if other manufacturers can release very sophisticated cameras that work without such problems it does make you wonder that either the development or production capabilities at Leica are severely lacking. The M11 is mechanically complex, but the electronics are in no way at the cutting edge. Don't worry it's not consuming my life lol. As I said, there's no alternative to Leica M in terms of compactness + full frame + great IQ + usability. I am fine with a freeze from time to time as long as it's a software bug and not hardware issue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted April 1, 2023 Share #1296 Posted April 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Corius said: Why don't you and Qlan just return your Leicas for a refund? No way would I let it consume my life as it appears to have done for you. My M11 has been fine, but if other manufacturers can release very sophisticated cameras that work without such problems it does make you wonder that either the development or production capabilities at Leica are severely lacking. The M11 is mechanically complex, but the electronics are in no way at the cutting edge. I’m an doing the Lord’s work here. In seriousness, though, my Leica lenses are working flawlessly, so I can wait for a fix to be able to use my CV 35 1.5 now that I know Leica is still working on fixing the remaining freeze issues. The exact words that the Leica contact used were, “…we are putting a lot of effort into resolving the freeze issues.” As I understand it, every launch of a new digital M had issues compared to the later P models, so I had an idea of what I might be in for here. But I agree, they can create very stable SL firmware but seem to struggle with the firmware for the M cameras. Adding off-sensor metering full-time on the M11 probably required a rewrite of much of the existing code from the M10 cameras. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 1, 2023 Share #1297 Posted April 1, 2023 Is there a word for post-release tests, theta-testing? Glad people like you are interested enough in helping Leica while a mere hand coding could fix the issue. Some legacy Leica lenses cannot be hand-coded as easily as CV or ZM ones and the M11 is supposed to work flawlessly with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 1, 2023 Share #1298 Posted April 1, 2023 vor 3 Stunden schrieb hdmesa: But I agree, they can create very stable SL firmware Perhaps is Panasonic doing a part of the work with much more man power. vor 6 Minuten schrieb lct: Is there a word for post-release tests, theta-testing? Glad people like you are interested enough in helping Leica while a mere hand coding could fix the issue. Leica is a small company. There were no freezes at the end of the beta phase. But about 20 tester cannot detect all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 1, 2023 Share #1299 Posted April 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, elmars said: Perhaps is Panasonic doing a part of the work with much more man power. Leica is a small company. There were no freezes at the end of the beta phase. But about 20 tester cannot detect all. I can understand this. Would be interesting to know if owning or otherwise using uncoded lenses was a prerequisite for beta testers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 1, 2023 Share #1300 Posted April 1, 2023 vor 3 Stunden schrieb lct: I can understand this. Would be interesting to know if owning or otherwise using uncoded lenses was a prerequisite for beta testers. It was not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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