Kiwimac Posted December 30, 2022 Share #561 Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I have to say that these issues do have the feel of a product that has developed one step further than it should have done! There is a possibility that I might be able to get a BNIB M10-R and I have to say that if I can, I'm giving serious consideration to doing that for two reasons. First, it seems likely that any M10R from the last stage of it's production would have already benefited from any changes made to components etc that may have caused issues earlier in the life cycle of the M10 variant. Second, it would be cheaper and would therefore give me more budget - I might be able to get a Summicron 50 for example, rather than the Voigtlander Apo Lanthar which is as far as the budget would stretch with an M11. (Not that the AL is a bad lens - far from it - but Leica is financially more enduring) I won't know until work resumes around 9th January at Leica NZ if it is available though. I'd then shoot it for a year and see if the M11-P variant was an attractive change over. Edited December 30, 2022 by Kiwimac 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted December 31, 2022 Share #562 Posted December 31, 2022 6 hours ago, EJS73 said: Leica is aware of the M11 freeze issues and working on finding the cause. I've been in touch with them regarding my own camera, which suffers from the occasional lock-up but too infrequently for me to reliably cause it to happen. Please share your findings with them under info@leica-camera.com. do you happen to let them know the issue after the last firmware update? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJS73 Posted December 31, 2022 Share #563 Posted December 31, 2022 7 hours ago, jakontil said: do you happen to let them know the issue after the last firmware update? Yes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 1, 2023 Share #564 Posted January 1, 2023 On 12/30/2022 at 8:37 PM, Kiwimac said: I have to say that these issues do have the feel of a product that has developed one step further than it should have done! There is a possibility that I might be able to get a BNIB M10-R and I have to say that if I can, I'm giving serious consideration to doing that for two reasons. First, it seems likely that any M10R from the last stage of it's production would have already benefited from any changes made to components etc that may have caused issues earlier in the life cycle of the M10 variant. Second, it would be cheaper and would therefore give me more budget - I might be able to get a Summicron 50 for example, rather than the Voigtlander Apo Lanthar which is as far as the budget would stretch with an M11. (Not that the AL is a bad lens - far from it - but Leica is financially more enduring) I won't know until work resumes around 9th January at Leica NZ if it is available though. I'd then shoot it for a year and see if the M11-P variant was an attractive change over. That was my feeling. I tested the M11 pre-release and it never felt like a finished product. The M10-R is a different story altogether. Mine’s been rock solid since purchase, produces lovely files, has ALL the whistles and bells I need, and I like the base plate 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted January 1, 2023 Share #565 Posted January 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, chris_tribble said: That was my feeling. I tested the M11 pre-release and it never felt like a finished product. The M10-R is a different story altogether. Mine’s been rock solid since purchase, produces lovely files, has ALL the whistles and bells I need, and I like the base plate 🙂 Thanks Chris; I WANT to like the M11 - I think that in theory it is a fabulous camera and if you have no problems with your particular copy then I am sure it is. However, spending NZ$15,500 on something that could well end up on a trip to Germany (which is 2 weeks each way at least so a month in transit plus the time Leica take to deal with it so at least 2 months without the camera and probably 3) is possibly something I am unsure about doing. This time of year is always interminably slow here in NZ because most businesses shut for at least 2 weeks - hence why I must wait to see whether the 10R is available. Lovely work on your site, btw. A very old friend of mine lives in that region - a small spot called Cliburn. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucy63 Posted January 2, 2023 Share #566 Posted January 2, 2023 My M11 froze too much so I got a replacement which froze more often than the first one, almost every time I took it out, and then last week the shutter wouldn't work, a red light remained on even when the camera was turned off. I've returned it to the shop where it started working again! I've lost all faith in the M11 which is a shame because when it worked it was a great camera. Thinking of getting a Canon R5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Russell Posted January 2, 2023 Share #567 Posted January 2, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think it may be a manufacturing issue. My first copy suffered from the red evil eye of death but its replacement has been a solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted January 2, 2023 Share #568 Posted January 2, 2023 4 hours ago, lucy63 said: My M11 froze too much so I got a replacement which froze more often than the first one, almost every time I took it out, and then last week the shutter wouldn't work, a red light remained on even when the camera was turned off. I've returned it to the shop where it started working again! I've lost all faith in the M11 which is a shame because when it worked it was a great camera. Thinking of getting a Canon R5. 3 hours ago, Antonio Russell said: I think it may be a manufacturing issue. My first copy suffered from the red evil eye of death but its replacement has been a solid. May be a good idea to start a database of defective M11 serial numbers and their problems and specific cause . More often than not in this thread, the problem and cause is unique to the individual camera. This makes me also think it’s manufacturing and not software that’s the cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 2, 2023 Share #569 Posted January 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, Kwesi said: May be a good idea to start a database of defective M11 serial numbers and their problems and specific cause . More often than not in this thread, the problem and cause is unique to the individual camera. This makes me also think it’s manufacturing and not software that’s the cause. Difficult to say. I've been complaining about freezes caused by UHS-2 cards for 8 months to the point that one of our esteemed colleagues suggested my M11 is broken. Firmware 1.6.0.0 didn't change anything worth noting till i updated my old user profiles and now i seem to use UHS-2 cards with no problem whatsoever... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted January 2, 2023 Share #570 Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, lct said: Difficult to say. I've been complaining about freezes caused by UHS-2 cards for 8 months to the point that one of our esteemed colleagues suggested my M11 is broken. Firmware 1.6.0.0 didn't change anything worth noting till i updated my old user profiles and now i seem to use UHS-2 cards with no problem whatsoever... Yeah this seems to be very unfortunate, a youtuber i watched suggested sandisk uhs II 300/250 write, he claimed it work in his case my sony 300 read uhs II only locked up 3 times as far as i remember, since last firmware, locked up once i didnt know if it was caused by my problematic viso, but since always flawless 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 2, 2023 Share #571 Posted January 2, 2023 On the topic of Sandisk SD cards - I'd avoid at all costs, because the market is flooded with fakes. Even legit stores have found they have been selling fakes. Stick with a pro card, with a serial # and a warranty - ideally a Pro single piece molded card such as the Sony Tough or Delkin Black. If you're using Sandisk, all bets are off as to whether it's a real card, and you might be causing issues with your M11 without even realizing it. I'd also add that the fake cards have a nasty habit of falling apart in use, and can jam and damage your SD card slot - requiring a new mother board for your camera - not cheap! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357248-m11-freeze-issues-merged/?do=findComment&comment=4625962'>More sharing options...
lct Posted January 2, 2023 Share #572 Posted January 2, 2023 25 minutes ago, CDodkin said: Stick with a pro card, with a serial # and a warranty - ideally a Pro single piece molded card such as the Sony Tough (...). If you're using Sandisk, all bets are off as to whether it's a real card, and you might be causing issues with your M11 without even realizing it. Serious? Sony Tough cards are a no no on the M11, at least on mine. Made me believe the camera was dead. Thanks no thanks. As for Sandisk cards i use them for 20 years so i think i will stick to them for 20 years more if i'm not pushing lilies by then . 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 3, 2023 Share #573 Posted January 3, 2023 8 hours ago, lct said: Serious? Sony Tough cards are a no no on the M11, at least on mine. Made me believe the camera was dead. Thanks no thanks. As for Sandisk cards i use them for 20 years so i think i will stick to them for 20 years more if i'm not pushing lilies by then . They just weren't aware of the Sony Tough issue with the M11. Might be worth trying a Delkin Black as suggested. I want someone to find a card that stops the freezes so I can get another M11, lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted January 3, 2023 Share #574 Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: They just weren't aware of the Sony Tough issue with the M11. Might be worth trying a Delkin Black as suggested. I want someone to find a card that stops the freezes so I can get another M11, lol. Food for thoughts, but my sony UHSII 300read is oke, not tough version, got back my m11 after latest firmware 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted January 3, 2023 Share #575 Posted January 3, 2023 10 hours ago, CDodkin said: On the topic of Sandisk SD cards - I'd avoid at all costs, because the market is flooded with fakes. Even legit stores have found they have been selling fakes. To avoid counterfeit cards how about buying direct from Western Digital? https://www.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 3, 2023 Share #576 Posted January 3, 2023 2 hours ago, MikeMyers said: To avoid counterfeit cards how about buying direct from Western Digital? https://www.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards They are still an inferior build quality compared to single piece Pro molded SD cards, so given the investment in the camera I wouldn't;t skimp on the SD card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 3, 2023 Share #577 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, hdmesa said: They just weren't aware of the Sony Tough issue with the M11. Might be worth trying a Delkin Black as suggested. I want someone to find a card that stops the freezes so I can get another M11, lol. Delkin Black UHSII has been freeze-free on my M11 FWIW Edited January 3, 2023 by CDodkin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 3, 2023 Share #578 Posted January 3, 2023 I had an M11 freeze a few days ago, shooting with a 64GB SanDisk Pro purchased from Amazon a year ago. Previous shooting with a slightly newer 128 GB SanDisk Pro (both of these marked 300 MB/sec) has not seen freezes. Not a big problem. Pop battery, count to three, push back in and it continues working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 3, 2023 Share #579 Posted January 3, 2023 Freezes are nor problem if they happen sometimes. But there are M11 that freeze many times. This should not be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankX Posted January 3, 2023 Share #580 Posted January 3, 2023 vor 2 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick: Not a big problem. Pop battery, count to three, push back in and it continues working. As long as you are not shooting a wedding... 😉 Frankly speaking, I was a bit nervous shooting the 'first kiss' during a wedding ceremony with my M11 this year. P.S.: Had about 2-3 freezes in 8 months using an old Sandisk UHS-1 64 MB card. BTW, I don't really believe it is a card issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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