logan2z Posted December 16, 2022 Share #41 Posted December 16, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sigh, how long has Leica been making film cameras?? And they've somehow forgotten how to make a pressure plate that doesn't scratch film? Really disappointing to see. Hopefully they'll have the camera back in your hands soon with a pressure plate that doesn't double as an engraving tool. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Huss Posted December 16, 2022 Share #42 Posted December 16, 2022 Well, I think this proves that the new M6 is made from all new parts, as my MP does not scratch film! 😜 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted December 16, 2022 Share #43 Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Huss said: Well, I think this proves that the new M6 is made from all new parts, as my MP does not scratch film! 😜 Well at least that question has finally been answered 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 16, 2022 Share #44 Posted December 16, 2022 Anything you can see or feel on the body? Which side of the film is the scratch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28framelines Posted December 16, 2022 Share #45 Posted December 16, 2022 This seems to be a recurring problem with new Leica Film M’s. My MP from July 2021 doesn’t have this issue, but others had the issue from earlier batches only 6 months before, and others had the issue after the batch I had it seems as well. You really would think they would have figured out what’s going on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickieT Posted December 16, 2022 Share #46 Posted December 16, 2022 My brand new MP (a few years ago) scratched the film too. Replaced the pressure plate and the problem was solved. At the time the CS was slow at best (not sure if it is better now) so decided to have it done locally. My old M6 never made a scratch in it's life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 16, 2022 Share #47 Posted December 16, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a new MP on order. I shall find a cheap roll of film to waste on it before taking shots that might be important. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted December 16, 2022 Share #48 Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) Perhaps you could simply tighten those screws upon the pressure plate and resolve this issue? BTW, you made a good decision for sent it back and requested for a DOA replacement(a brand new M6) indeed. Edited December 16, 2022 by Erato Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archive_all Posted December 16, 2022 Share #49 Posted December 16, 2022 I'm thinking it's not likely pressure plate screws since they don't touch that part of the film. There must be a burr on the plate to cause this so maybe faulty tooling. I'm most surprised that Leica requires this back instead of just sending out a new door which would be more efficient for the customer and probably more cost effective for them. After so many issues with this you'd think they'd toss out whatever batch of pressure plates they have and start with a fresh order of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted December 17, 2022 Share #50 Posted December 17, 2022 Is there a way to air clean the pressure plate? Perhaps a small dust particle etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archive_all Posted December 17, 2022 Share #51 Posted December 17, 2022 2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: I have a new MP on order. I shall find a cheap roll of film to waste on it before taking shots that might be important. If you bulk load you can roll a short roll to check. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted December 17, 2022 Share #52 Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) It is apparently a good idea to inspect the pressure plate on new M6 cameras with great vim and vigor before you part with your $5300 U.S. Balboas. I'm puzzled over how such a defect escaped the purview of Leica's quality control folk... Edited December 17, 2022 by Herr Barnack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted December 17, 2022 Share #53 Posted December 17, 2022 2 hours ago, archive_all said: I'm thinking it's not likely pressure plate screws since they don't touch that part of the film. There must be a burr on the plate to cause this so maybe faulty tooling. I'm most surprised that Leica requires this back instead of just sending out a new door which would be more efficient for the customer and probably more cost effective for them. After so many issues with this you'd think they'd toss out whatever batch of pressure plates they have and start with a fresh order of them. Actually, this was the easiest scratch to photograph. There were also scratches on both areas where the film passes over the supposedly recessed pressure plate screws. So it was three beautiful sets of scratches - top, middle and bottom. And of course these scratches are on the side of the film that touches the pressure plate. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamj Posted December 17, 2022 Share #54 Posted December 17, 2022 This is a gut punch. Seems you have to buy a good second hand Leica where all the troubles have been discovered and sorted out. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunyforreal Posted December 17, 2022 Share #55 Posted December 17, 2022 9 hours ago, Musky said: Hmm. I would ask for the new M6. It’s an MP basically. This is too many MPs already. After the second I would’ve suggested to go to another store. Considering @Huss’s new M6 is scratching film too, that might not be the best move. I know everyone wants the hot newness, but with Leica’s QC as of late (with film bodies), maybe the real way to go is to buy used. Saves yourself some money for another lens too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshchem Posted December 17, 2022 Share #56 Posted December 17, 2022 Holy Crap!!! Three individual sources of scratches!?! Well Leica Manchester has promised me that my bought and paid for MP will be sent to me in January. I will be checking everything. Think about Nikon F5, the beast that it is, 5 fps, power rewind, as long as static didn't throw lightning bolts, it wasn't know for scratches. This is very disappointing. It's also concerning, so called hand made items often are just low volume luxury goods that are "machined from a block of brass", well of course the cameras would be twice the price if new die casting tooling was used for a few thousand a year. I still think it will be OK. A good reason to not sell 5,000 opening day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted December 17, 2022 Share #57 Posted December 17, 2022 9 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: I have a new MP on order. I shall find a cheap roll of film to waste on it before taking shots that might be important. You could snip a frame off the end of the film and rub it over the pressure plate, if it scratches (hopefully not) it should be possible to narrow it down and discover exactly what is causing the scratch. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewl Posted December 17, 2022 Share #58 Posted December 17, 2022 Puh that is very disappointing! Sorry to hear this! I am also curious whether mine has this issue. Waiting for the first film which is currently being developed… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted December 17, 2022 Share #59 Posted December 17, 2022 Dragging a cigarette paper with a light touch of your finger over the plate will usually show the burr. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestSLIsALeicaflex Posted December 17, 2022 Share #60 Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Leica often has issues with new bodies. Never be first in line. Absent brand loyalty they's get roasted, but usually the issues can be fixed. Scratching oil though, you'd think they learn from the R8 days. Edited December 17, 2022 by TheBestSLIsALeicaflex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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