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Well its happened again, brand new MA purchased in May this year scratching my neg on the cell side. On close inspection the pressure plate is covered in scratches and to cap it all shutter curtain metal strip showing up right side of film gate, is this normal? Camera now on way to Germany.

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16 hours ago, delta100 said:

Well its happened again, brand new MA purchased in May this year scratching my neg on the cell side. On close inspection the pressure plate is covered in scratches and to cap it all shutter curtain metal strip showing up right side of film gate, is this normal? Camera now on way to Germany.

I have an M-A, MP, M6 (2022) and M4 and all have fine scratches across on their pressure plates. With each of these cameras there's been multiple instances where the negatives and corresponding scans showed scratches. In all cases, these scratches turned out to be a the fault of developing/scanning/processing/film canister, etc., rather than the camera.

Did you run a fresh roll through your M-A and then open the film canister and inspect the film? If possible would you be able to share some pics of the scratched negatives. It would be helpful for this thread. 

I hope you get your camera back soon. 

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1 hour ago, Roy Bigsby said:

..........Did you run a fresh roll through your M-A and then open the film canister and inspect the film?

Yes, this is one of the the best ways to test for scratches..........In fact I would go a little further and NOT rewind the test film, open the camera, cut the film then carefully pull it off of the take-up spool.........Examine the back side of the film with a loupe with side lighting on the film that would more readily show scratches, hopefully they will not be there. A faulty pressure plate would scratch the back side of the film, if there's scratches on the emulsion side then you would have to look at that film path too.

With a new M6 I bought last year I found some scratched negatives and I did suspect the camera being at fault, but on testing like this I found out it was due to errors by a lab, ( a "Pro' Lab" at that !), during process. I had them process a fresh unused roll through their machine and that confirmed where the scratches came from.

Cassettes can also be a source of scratches, especially if you do bulk re-loads with previously used cassettes, care must be taken when using bulk re-loading.

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I have two cameras, a new MA on its way back to Germany and a fourteen year old MP with a screw less pressure plate. Four rolls of film went into the same Lab, the MA rolls came back scratched and the MP rolls were perfect. I also think I have an issue with the MA film camera gate, looking into the MA film gate a black metal strip ( this is not present on my MP) connected to a shutter curtain can be seen on the right hand side of the aperture, also a gap can be seen between the first and second curtains, this is not present on my MP.  Any body with an MA care to check the aperture for a visible metal strip on the right side and looking at the MA screw pressure plate you can see it covered in scratches and then buffed up in production. For me the pressure plate should be spotless.

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I  am truly amazed how Leica Germany can keep me waiting for two months and more for a repair to my brand new MA £5K camera and its not my fault! After two weeks in transit to Germany, the camera as not even landed in Germany yet, may be its being held up in customs. What is going on with customs, is this over BREXIT? This will be my last and final Leica camera or lens.

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8 minutes ago, delta100 said:

I  am truly amazed how Leica Germany can keep me waiting for two months and more for a repair to my brand new MA £5K camera and its not my fault! After two weeks in transit to Germany, the camera as not even landed in Germany yet, may be its being held up in customs. What is going on with customs, is this over BREXIT? This will be my last and final Leica camera or lens.

We have a thread dedicated to that:
 

 

 

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Update on my MA film camera, Leica Germany are replacing the pressure plate that was badly scratched from new and FYI Leica no longer produce screw less pressure plates. Visible black metal stripe in lens chamber ( part of the overlapping curtain edges ) is normal, it is not a fault. Well if you don't ask you never find out. So it did have a problem on the pressure plate! Now I just have too wait for the cameras return.

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Yes! my MA is now back with me from Germany. This time round with a spotless pressure plate, it should have never left the factory in the first place - it was well worth sending back. No screw less plates any more and Leica said that not me. Not sure about me and the future with Leica. I just need a 35 lens none APO and then that's me. Fin! 

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