I SOLD my Leica M11 …… & Why

[snooper]

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1 minute ago, Photoworks said:

skin to are easy to expose in B&W. cheers

I was comparing with M9, M, M10. And iPhone. Damn iPhone does it better.

[Kwesi]

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Edited March 28, 2022 by Kwesi
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[Kwesi]

59 minutes ago, snooper said:

I’m about to sell my M11 after less than 200 shots. This camera is not for me, cant get a single shot not being blurry bellow 1/125th and I use APOs 35 and 50 only.

This is a big disappointment, There is nothing I like in this camera, and one of the biggest surprise (besides the blurry shots) is in the skin tones. There is something wrong there in the way I see colors, I suppose everyone has its own scale and appreciation. I was on a South America tour lately, used my iPhone and kept the M11 in the bag.

If you are anywhere close by southern France, It’s for sale. I’ll stick with the best M ever: the M10M. Once again just an opinion.

If I may quote the great Kenny Rogers:

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run

 - The Gambler

[FranciscoChung]

On 3/29/2022 at 3:51 AM, snooper said:

I’m about to sell my M11 after less than 200 shots. This camera is not for me, cant get a single shot not being blurry bellow 1/125th and I use APOs 35 and 50 only.

This is a big disappointment, There is nothing I like in this camera, and one of the biggest surprise (besides the blurry shots) is in the skin tones. There is something wrong there in the way I see colors, I suppose everyone has its own scale and appreciation. I was on a South America tour lately, used my iPhone and kept the M11 in the bag.

If you are anywhere close by southern France, It’s for sale. I’ll stick with the best M ever: the M10M. Once again just an opinion.

I didn’t want to discourage M11lovers, but yeah.. M11 was a big disappointment for me, too. I’n sure it will get better with firmware updates, but as of now, M10 is much better performing camera overall.

[MrQ]

for those who want to take the M11 for a test drive, I will rent mine for $500/week- shipping included (ConUSA only) 😁 joke aside

[intermediatic]

Loving my M11. After I got my Fuji GFX100S, the difference in resolution from the M10R was such that it made no sense to keep using the M10R. Now I am using both cameras equally again. That said, I am chaffing against the constraints of a 24” printer and debating going larger, not shooting to social media, so that is where I am coming from. The Visoflex is a huge improvement in everything but build. The iPhone Pro 13 Max is pretty good for cat photos, even the yearly calendar I make for the kids of their pal puss puss. 

[Archiver]

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On 3/22/2022 at 6:50 AM, a.noctilux said:

I had a look at my old "Cirque" catalogs,

in the 2010's Leica M9 was 5,500 Euros including taxes (TVA  in France) ... Nikon D3x (24.5 Mpix) 6,990€

in the 2008's Leica M8 was 4,790 Euros and film MP was 3,390 Euros ...Nikon D3 (12 Mpix) 4,700€

In Australia, the M9 was around AUD $9400 in early 2010. The M11 retails for AUD $13,500 now. I could just barely justify the M9 then, and am still using it. In fact, I just shot two jobs with it over the last week. But $13,500 right now? I'm very hard pressed to justify that amount, especially as I already own a M9 which suits my purposes.

[lct]

5 minutes ago, Archiver said:

AUD $9400 in early 2010 [...]

Makes how much in 2022 taking inflation into account? Just curious.

[Archiver]

24 minutes ago, lct said:

Makes how much in 2022 taking inflation into account? Just curious.

According to an online Australian inflation calculator, $9400 in 2010 is equivalent to about $11,708.43 as of April 2022. So the current price of AUD $13,500 is a good chunk more than the equivalent 2010 value. That's a couple of secondhand Voigtlander or Zeiss lenses.

Interestingly, the Canon flagship 1D Mark IV was significantly less at AUD $7299 in 2010, and had I bought one then, I might still be using it in 2022 in the same way that I've continued to use my 5D Mark II from 2009. A flagship camera from a decent company can last a good 10 or more years in terms of usability and quality, especially from the late 2000s. I'd expect the M11 to give the owner a very good 15+ year working life, given that my M9 is still chugging happily after 12 years.

Edited April 2, 2022 by Archiver

[Fedro]

1 hour ago, Archiver said:

According to an online Australian inflation calculator, $9400 in 2010 is equivalent to about $11,708.43 as of April 2022. So the current price of AUD $13,500 is a good chunk more than the equivalent 2010 value. That's a couple of secondhand Voigtlander or Zeiss lenses.

Interestingly, the Canon flagship 1D Mark IV was significantly less at AUD $7299 in 2010, and had I bought one then, I might still be using it in 2022 in the same way that I've continued to use my 5D Mark II from 2009. A flagship camera from a decent company can last a good 10 or more years in terms of usability and quality, especially from the late 2000s. I'd expect the M11 to give the owner a very good 15+ year working life, given that my M9 is still chugging happily after 12 years.

yes, plus i would rather have a system that incrases in price in a sector where other competitors products are becoming commodity. Leica Ms are unique and have virtual monopoly in their niche, it is a small niche but still going strong

[250swb]

23 minutes ago, Fedro said:

Leica Ms are unique and have virtual monopoly in their niche, it is a small niche but still going strong

You'd have thought that wouldn't you, and once upon a time I'm sure Leica thought that. And then Voigtlander-Cosina came along and spoiled the party by making lenses every bit as usable as Leica, and that offer far more variety. And if you want 61mp how about the Sigma Fp L mount body, stick on an M adapter and you can own it for a quarter of the cost of an M11 body (and it's smaller). With so much variety of alternative lenses or bodies it doesn't really meet the criteria for being any sort of monopoly.

Edited April 2, 2022 by 250swb

[Kwesi]

7 minutes ago, 250swb said:

it doesn't really meet the criteria for being any sort of monopoly.

Show me another full frame (24x36mm) digital rangefinder camera

[M11 for me]

Has the Sigma a Sony sensor or is that something else?

I can not imagine that it renders the Leica look and its 3D impression even with M lenses adapted 🤧

[Photoworks]

55 minutes ago, 250swb said:

And if you want 61mp how about the Sigma Fp L mount body

Is that something people consider.. It is not great for photo and or video. just because it has a screen and a sensor doesn't it make it a great camera experience , I think like user care about the experience and look and feel of what they are using then the 60MP.

Monopoli? I think nobody is making them anymore, and it would not make much sense to unless the company want to loose lots of money.. It is already a small market..

there is the PiXii, and only APS-C and probably still a development project.

[250swb]

1 hour ago, M11 for me said:

Has the Sigma a Sony sensor or is that something else?

I can not imagine that it renders the Leica look and its 3D impression even with M lenses adapted 🤧

And you imagine you could accurately identify 'the Leica look' from a selection of prints made with Leica, Nikon, Sony, etc. cameras? Or maybe you are kidding yourself that 'the Leica look' even exists? 

1 hour ago, Kwesi said:

Show me another full frame (24x36mm) digital rangefinder camera

The point would be, if it needs explaining, is that an alternative to a Leica body doesn't have to be a rangefinder. Just as an alternative to a Leica lens could be an old SLR lens, something previously impossible to focus on an M film body, but not a digital body. In many ways the photographic world has moved on. Ah, but there is the rangefinder experience to consider, but I have to tell you a lot of people choose equipment based on the photographs they want to end up with, not for the show of pressing the shutter. And this means a landscape photographer may not give a toss about any concerns a street photographer may have when choosing a camera body, lenses, or brand names, and visa versa. 

[Kwesi]

2 hours ago, 250swb said:

The point would be, if it needs explaining, is that an alternative to a Leica body doesn't have to be a rangefinder.

The point is that you were responding to Fedro's, reference to the Leica M, who you yourself quoted in post #72.

Ofcourse if its easier for you to generalize in order to make your point then by all means go ahead.

[boojum]

Not only are people here disappointed with the M11, so, too, is Leica.  The M12 (https://gmpphoto.blogspot.com/) Big tech breakthrough for Leica!  Adjustable diopter on the viewfinder.  Wow!  Tech leaders.

[LocalHero1953]

3 minutes ago, boojum said:

Not only are people here disappointed with the M11, so, too, is Leica.  The M12 (https://gmpphoto.blogspot.com/) Big tech breakthrough for Leica!  Adjustable diopter on the viewfinder.  Wow!  Tech leaders.

Can't tell if you are tongue-in-cheek or not.......

[gotium]

20 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Can't tell if you are tongue-in-cheek or not.......

Sounds great, but note the publication date

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Hallo,

Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[SrMi]

40 minutes ago, boojum said:

Not only are people here disappointed with the M11, so, too, is Leica.  The M12 (https://gmpphoto.blogspot.com/) Big tech breakthrough for Leica!  Adjustable diopter on the viewfinder.  Wow!  Tech leaders.

Since you posted on April 2nd, it is unclear if you understood that the linked article was an April Fools joke.