Lelmer Posted January 29, 2022 Share #121 Posted January 29, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) All EVF cameras are AF, and definitely not optimised for manual focus. I'd hope that, in the case they launch a M with EVF, they would design it in a way to keep the MF feeling and pleasure, for more precision and less sensitivity to external parameters. 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 29, 2022 Share #122 Posted January 29, 2022 58 minutes ago, Lelmer said: All EVF cameras are AF, and definitely not optimised for manual focus. I'd hope that, in the case they launch a M with EVF, they would design it in a way to keep the MF feeling and pleasure, for more precision and less sensitivity to external parameters. 🙂 As far as focusing is concerned the EVILs i've experience with are easy to use with M lenses in manual mode (Fuji, Leica, Ricoh, Sony) or even in AF mode (Sony) if needed. The only thing those cameras cannot do is auto image magnification. An M mount and a roller cam are just needed for that. Not a big deal for Leica. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 30, 2022 Share #123 Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) On 1/27/2022 at 2:11 PM, orcinus said: As a frequent user of a Sigma fp, using it exclusively with an L-to-M mount adapter - yes, without second thought, if it were Q sized, and with either a mechanical shutter or a fast readout electronic shutter. My fp-l arrives Monday. I think everyone wanting an M-EVF camera is going to get close enough to what they want if the SL3 gets a Z9-class sensor that doesn't need a mechanical shutter due to the high speed of the sensor readout. Leica can make the full-size SL3 as expected, plus a Rangefinder-style SL3 variant: Smaller/lighter Left-side EVF (no EVF hump) Electronic shutter only (stacked BSI sensor with no rolling shutter) We also need an M Adapter L Macro with a macro helicoid so we don't have to sacrifice 6-bit code-reading. Design it like the Hawk's Factory adapter that has a moveable infinity lock so that the infinity hard stop can be customized each time you attach a different lens if desired. Edited January 30, 2022 by hdmesa 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekindangen Posted January 30, 2022 Share #124 Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) No I wouldn't want an M with EVF. The M11 is paving the way already with its sensor based metering for an M with EVF. But, I'd experiment with an M mount digital camera with built in EVF. Call it something else but an M (neo-M). It'd take 4-5 iterations of neo-M before it becomes usable I think. So I'll wait for the neo-M 4 at least. If the time for each iteration is 3-4 years then it'd be another 12 years before a usable model comes to market. Edited January 30, 2022 by ekindangen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 30, 2022 Share #125 Posted January 30, 2022 Or call it NoM with a sticker « Beware this is not an M » or « Cover up that bosom, which I can't endure to look on » . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted January 30, 2022 Share #126 Posted January 30, 2022 16 hours ago, ekindangen said: No I wouldn't want an M with EVF. The M11 is paving the way already with its sensor based metering for an M with EVF. But, I'd experiment with an M mount digital camera with built in EVF. Call it something else but an M (neo-M). It'd take 4-5 iterations of neo-M before it becomes usable I think. So I'll wait for the neo-M 4 at least. If the time for each iteration is 3-4 years then it'd be another 12 years before a usable model comes to market. Given how well Leica did with the very successful, original Leica Q, I think the first M-EVF would be great. Since Leica has done the SL and Q series, they have what they need to make it right the first time. The only difficult part to navigate will be how to best meet expectations with the design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrichie Posted January 30, 2022 Share #127 Posted January 30, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: Given how well Leica did with the very successful, original Leica Q, I think the first M-EVF would be great. Since Leica has done the SL and Q series, they have what they need to make it right the first time. The only difficult part to navigate will be how to best meet expectations with the design. I agree with this. My SL2 evf is outstanding, and a much better experience than the Cl. Leica have everything in place to take all the best elements out of each camera [Q, SL, M, C] and basically make a full frame mirror less M mount camera. As others have said L mount would work, but then that’s what the SL is for and balances so nicely with the 24-70 I have. In terms of design, my expectation would be basically a body similar design to the Q [sizing same as M]. I will be first in line for it - a blend of manual slow focus and super clear EVF is so good [which I currently enjoy on the SL2, which was bought for video and interior design photography rather than the street which I would use this new EVF M for]. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbyhp Posted January 31, 2022 Share #128 Posted January 31, 2022 Prior to getting the M11, I was hoping for an EVF-only M coming out at some stage. Now that I have the M11, I am happy that I have a choice between RF and EVF. So I would not now be considering buying an EVF-only till my next, if ever, change-over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted January 31, 2022 Share #129 Posted January 31, 2022 As I age, I put experience above results. I recently realized how much more I enjoy the rangefinder OVF feel vs any EVF and just consigned my SL, SL2 and 4 SL lenses. Much earlier I also sold my Q which achieved great results and had good enough AF for me. As such, I will not fall for an EVF based M no matter the marketing hype that would surround such a launch and would always pick the OVF version as long as it is offered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted January 31, 2022 Share #130 Posted January 31, 2022 To follow up, I do greatly enjoy my TL2s but that is due to the fact that use the camera at half an arms length away, similar to my iPhone. I think it is putting my eye against an EVF viewfinder that bothers me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan J Posted January 31, 2022 Share #131 Posted January 31, 2022 EVF, OVF all OK with me...... But with today's technology while your building my copy, please add the following user selectable option that changes the view of screen / view finder to a user selectable common paper size equivalent. Of course with the ability to add sizes as industry dictates and new sizes come along. Crop lines are handy...but why not view it as it would be on the size of paper you select while using the lens image projected onto the sensor? Oh and while your at it.... please let me have a function available that superimposes the Golden Ratio, Rule of Thirds, etc. etc briefly into or onto the screen. Again focal length indicators in the finder helpful, but there's gotta be a more advanced off the sensor option while whatever lens your using is attached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted January 31, 2022 Share #132 Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 2:06 PM, FlashGordonPhotography said: I started a survey but accidentally loaded it into the German section of the forums. Probably because sometimes I am an idiot. I'd love your opinions on this so head on over and cast your vote. Gordon No. The OVF is part of my Leica M experience 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivohula Posted January 31, 2022 Share #133 Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/29/2022 at 11:26 AM, fotofool said: If the EVF performance is worthy then absolutely!! There are two things that stop me from switching to the SL with M adaptor: the larger form factor (I’d rather use my X1D at that point) and the fact that the sensor isn’t as well optimized for M-mount lenses as the N camera sensor. A well executed “eM” (electronic Messsucher) would be ideal for me. Agree, 100%. Adding IBIS would also be nice, as many reviews are showing reduced sharpness below the 1/200 shutter speed threshold with 50mm lenses. I have been saying for several years, sell one with EVF and IBIS and one without, with the same sensor and microlens package and let sales decide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted February 2, 2022 Share #134 Posted February 2, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 4:15 AM, hdmesa said: My fp-l arrives Monday. How is it? Is the sensor readout speed the same or lower (because of the resolution)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 2, 2022 Share #135 Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, orcinus said: How is it? Is the sensor readout speed the same or lower (because of the resolution)? The fp L is a weird little camera. Jury is still out on if I keep it. EVF is awkward to attach (looks easy to break while attaching) and makes the camera bigger than an M. Capture One colors for the fp L are completely screwed, so I have to use Lightroom. Sensor performance is really impressive, though it does have an AA filter, so detail at 100% magnification seems a little less sharp than I'm used to. The clarity of the magnification for manual focus (EVF and LCD) of adapted lenses is excellent. Time to write an image to a fast UHS-II Sandisk SD card is kind of slow if you're wanting to review an image you took right away and zoom into it. Sensor readout speed is not very fast, so it's not good for fast-moving subjects. Edited February 2, 2022 by hdmesa 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted February 2, 2022 Share #136 Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: The fp L is a weird little camera. Jury is still out on if I keep it. EVF is awkward to attach (looks easy to break while attaching) and makes the camera bigger than an M. Capture One colors for the fp L are completely screwed, so I have to use Lightroom. Sensor performance is really impressive, though it does have an AA filter, so detail at 100% magnification seems a little less sharp than I'm used to. The clarity of the magnification for manual focus (EVF and LCD) of adapted lenses is excellent. Time to write an image to a fast UHS-II Sandisk SD card is kind of slow if you're wanting to review an image you took right away and zoom into it. Sensor readout speed is not very fast, so it's not good for fast-moving subjects. Thanks! Suddenly not too keen on upgrading from the original fp, lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 3, 2022 Share #137 Posted February 3, 2022 7 hours ago, orcinus said: Thanks! Suddenly not too keen on upgrading from the original fp, lol. I would wait until they add a fast, stacked sensor like the one in the Z9. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixeleater Posted February 5, 2022 Share #138 Posted February 5, 2022 The closest I want to get to this is my SL2-S with M adapter. Love using my M lenses on the SL2-S but they usually remain on an M10-R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted February 6, 2022 Share #139 Posted February 6, 2022 YES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted February 10, 2022 Share #140 Posted February 10, 2022 As much as I love the Leica Ms in their past and present state, I would probably go for an EVF M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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