sebben Posted January 27, 2022 Share #41 Posted January 27, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) L Mount would probably be better. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 27, 2022 Posted January 27, 2022 Hi sebben, Take a look here Would you buy an EVF only camera with an M mount?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
SrMi Posted January 27, 2022 Share #42 Posted January 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, cboy said: Unless it's a global shutter with lag free and blackout free experience then it'll be disappointing compared to the ovf/rangefinder experience of an M. But maybe that's what Leica wanted all along? M now stands for mirrorless? Lol Global shutters are likely 5 to 10 years out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 27, 2022 Share #43 Posted January 27, 2022 The reason which I think is most important is not in the survey: your eyesight. At the time being I am content with the optical viewfinder and would not buy an M with EVF only. Though this might change if my eyesight deteriorates. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted January 27, 2022 Share #44 Posted January 27, 2022 NO Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted January 27, 2022 Share #45 Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) I'd be curious about it, but honestly the SL2 is close enough for me in that sense - and I can put AF lenses on it. So it would depend on what you give up because I just don't find the weight between the M and the SL2 really to be a big deal in a practical sense - not a compelling enough reason. It also makes even less sense to me if you dress up your M in grips etc. Now, I'm not saying it is a substitute dare anyone accuse me of breaking puritanical devotion, but like for real practical purposes, it really kinda is. If they could keep the same size/form of the M and replace the RF with an EVF I'd try it out for sure, but it really feels like splitting hairs. I have my Sl2 and M10 (both with summis mounted) next to each other and just held them both to make sure. Yep, that difference is in in quibble territory. Edited January 27, 2022 by pgh 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted January 27, 2022 Share #46 Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) As a frequent user of a Sigma fp, using it exclusively with an L-to-M mount adapter - yes, without second thought, if it were Q sized, and with either a mechanical shutter or a fast readout electronic shutter. Edited January 27, 2022 by orcinus Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #47 Posted January 27, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 59 minutes ago, SrMi said: Global shutters are likely 5 to 10 years out. Maybe not...RED Digital Cinema introduced a 6K global shutter cinema camera over a year ago. https://www.red.com/komodo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted January 27, 2022 Share #48 Posted January 27, 2022 The funniest bit is i don’t even use an EVF with the Sigma. I glance obliquely at the screen at waist height to confirm framing and zone focus 90% of the time. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted January 27, 2022 Share #49 Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, digitalfx said: Maybe not...RED Digital Cinema introduced a global shutter cinema camera last year. They did, but Komodo has its own unique share of downsides, like reduced dynamic range (reportedly - i have no personal experience with it). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted January 27, 2022 Share #50 Posted January 27, 2022 I wouldn't buy such a camera. I like the feeling of a live picture, I feel that I am photographing real life and that I am present in it. EVFs have come a long way, have become significantly better, but they are still far from the human eye in terms of dynamic range. For example, I sold Q2 because of the terrible dynamic range in EVF, although the resolution there is fine. SL2 is only slightly better in this sense. The eye feels like it's watching a movie and just takes a freeze frame. It's a completely different feeling than when you look through the glass and stop time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted January 27, 2022 Share #51 Posted January 27, 2022 A good frame can be made with any modern camera, but not every camera inspires you to take photos 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #52 Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, orcinus said: They did, but Komodo has its own unique share of downsides, like reduced dynamic range (reportedly - i have no personal experience with it). Its $5,000 and has at least 12.5-13.5 depending on who you ask, although the manufacture claims 16. I have one, and for the price its pretty amazing little camera. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted January 27, 2022 Share #53 Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Smogg said: A good frame can be made with any modern camera, but not every camera inspires you to take photos For me, a good camera vanishes from your hands, leaving only you, the subject, and the frame you envisioned. But i’d be lying if i claimed that new gear doesn’t inspire me to go and take photos Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted January 27, 2022 Share #54 Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, digitalfx said: Its $5,000 and has at least 12.5-13.5 depending on who you ask, although the manufacture claims 16. I have one, and for the price its pretty amazing little camera. Nice! I stand corrected then. I heard some paranoia about it, glad to hear it’s misplaced, as it seemed great on paper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted January 27, 2022 Share #55 Posted January 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Artin said: ok where is the big speech / harlequin novel the M is emotional bla bla bla. M stands for the MessBla bla bla. LOL I am waiting for it I had the same though. Like how long will it take for someone to tell us the German word that the M stands for 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted January 27, 2022 Share #56 Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, orcinus said: For me, a good camera vanishes from your hands, leaving only you, the subject, and the frame you envisioned. But i’d be lying if i claimed that new gear doesn’t inspire me to go and take photos The Leica M is such a camera, it's simple, it does exactly what the photographer wants. And if occasionally you need precise framing, then an external EVF is quite enough 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 27, 2022 Share #57 Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) Take a Q2, give it an M mount, call it a MQ if you want, make a mono version if you want, and voilà: M with an EVF, IBIS, etc. A winner at $4K. Edited January 27, 2022 by snooper 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 27, 2022 Share #58 Posted January 27, 2022 Clear majority in favour so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share #59 Posted January 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Artin said: ok where is the big speech / harlequin novel the M is emotional bla bla bla. M stands for the MessBla bla bla. LOL I am waiting for it I wouldn't want it be an M. I freely admit I'm emotionally attached to the M being a rangefinder camera. This camera would have a new letter. It would take M lenses but it wouldn't be an M. Gordon 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share #60 Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: I responded to the survey on the other thread, and posted a comment. It would be helpful if the moderators could bring the survey across to the international side and merge the two threads. FWIW, I replied: I would probably not buy one, but I have massive respect for Leica engineers' and designers' ability to create an attractive package, so I'm not saying 'no'. I would be much more interested in a M-shaped/sized body with an L-mount*. It would be much more versatile, and would balance well with M, Summicron-SL and Sigma lenses. * For all those under a common misapprehension, repeat after me: "A SL is NOT a substitute for a M-sized body with EVF and AF"**. ** And for those under the other common misapprehension, repeat after me: "a SL is NOT the answer to those disappointed with the apparent end of the APSC line". I did ask for it to be moved. Ultimately my silly mistake. Gordon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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