Would you buy an EVF only M camera? [MERGED]

[lct]

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Any link about this? Just curious.

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[SrMi]

36 minutes ago, algrove said:

That account sounds about right even though there was a straw pole at an LSI meeting in the UK or Scotland where out of about 100 people when he asked who would buy an M-EVF camera just 5 raised their hands. Keep in mind this was a meeting of long term M users who no doubt did not relish the idea of change to the M system. These were probably many who complained about the base plate being removed in favor of ease of battery change and also a larger battery on the M11.

At the same exchange or another one Daniels said that EVF's require AF lenses, but this was well before the M11 came out.

As published by Overgaard, he later asked Daniels again about the possibility of an M EVF and he then said let's try one.

This report says that  during the LSI meeting in Dublin "M with EVF raised great interest among LSI members in the room."

[algrove]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

This report says that  during the LSI meeting in Dublin "M with EVF raised great interest among LSI members in the room."

I was talking about the LHSA meeting in 2018. Historical Society members often collect and use older Leica cameras so to me this was not the group to query about who would buy or not buy an M with built-in EVF.

I must look at your link as to which year they are referring to. Overgaard was in the room in 2o18 and 5 were in favor of the EVF M and to get to five Overgaard had to say he would buy 2 models of it.

I now see this meeting you refer to was an LSI meeting in Oct 2022. 4 yard later than the LHSA meeting. Let's hope we are 4 years closer to something new.

Edited November 8, 2023 by algrove

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[algrove]

2 hours ago, algrove said:

ICT, if I remember correctly Daniels first reply about an M with EVF was that an EVF implies using AF lenses. Now later with Overgaard he said let's try one to see how (the sales) go even though he did not say it would be exclusively an M mount camera. Which to me leaves the door open to M, Q or L mount lenses.

BTW, later it was mentioned he said he corrected himself and the specific quantity was unknown.

[setuporg]

@hdmesa so much for the top of the pile!  Bottom of the dustbin again!  😂

Just realized how engaged folks are about this — the leader of this thread is @lct!  When he replies, he’ll be at 150 posts in this thread alone!

(Or @jaapv can make a run for the 1st palace with just 25 more replies!:)

Edited November 8, 2023 by setuporg

[Kwesi]

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All Leica has to do is look at the number of Leica Owners who start off with a Q , migrate to an M and then demand an EVF M because they can't handle a rangefinder and manual focus to know that there is a demand for an M styled autofocus EVF camera. Will Leica ever make one? I don't know. Look how many X camera false starts it took Leica before they finally caved in and made the Q. Im sure at some point the Q will get interchangeable lenses. I doubt that it will be an M mount though.

[jaapv]

7 minutes ago, Kwesi said:

Im sure at some point the Q will get interchangeable lenses

More than unlikely. The lens-aperture-shutter-sensor unit of the Q is one integrated module. The rest of the camera is built around it.

[Stephen.s1]

It seems to me that we're half way there (to an EVF) by using the LCD to aid in focusing and critical framing.  I'd deep-six the RF in a heartbeat: keeping the weighty and uncomfortable to use M body.  A bit of nostalgia that seems to go a long way with some of us. 

 

[Kwesi]

11 minutes ago, Stephen.s1 said:

It seems to me that we're half way there (to an EVF) by using the LCD to aid in focusing and critical framing.  I'd deep-six the RF in a heartbeat: keeping the weighty and uncomfortable to use M body.  A bit of nostalgia that seems to go a long way with some of us. 

 

Come again? Not sure I quite understand what you mean by nostalgia. I use an M because im comfortable with how to operate one. Not because I like old fashioned things

[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

@hdmesa so much for the top of the pile!  Bottom of the dustbin again!  😂

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Not to worry, those of us interested in the topic read the entire thread 🤓 – even your posts! 😁

[hdmesa]

Something I haven't seen mentioned or I missed it is what about the idea of an even smaller M that omits a viewfinder altogether (M11-C/Compact), leaving just the LCD and an optional new Visoflex 3 (upgraded to Q3 EVF specs) for previewing shots. Think of it as Leica's version of the tiny full frame 60mp Sigma fp. The camera could come bundled with the Visoflex at a discount or purchased without it.

Edited November 8, 2023 by hdmesa

[Kwesi]

12 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Something I haven't seen mentioned or I missed it is what about the idea of an even smaller M that omits a viewfinder altogether (M11-C/Compact), leaving just the LCD and an optional new Visoflex 3 (upgraded to Q3 EVF specs) for previewing shots. Think of it as Leica's version of the tiny full frame 60mp Sigma fp. The camera could come bundled with the Visoflex at a discount or purchased without it.

I like it but remember that it wasn't until Leica actually put the viewfinder in the camera (Leica CL and Q) that its compact line became commercially successful.

[algrove]

7 hours ago, lct said:

Any link about this? Just curious.

Check out Overgaard video M11+EVF.

[algrove]

1 hour ago, hdmesa said:

Something I haven't seen mentioned or I missed it is what about the idea of an even smaller M that omits a viewfinder altogether (M11-C/Compact), leaving just the LCD and an optional new Visoflex 3 (upgraded to Q3 EVF specs) for previewing shots. Think of it as Leica's version of the tiny full frame 60mp Sigma fp. The camera could come bundled with the Visoflex at a discount or purchased without it.

I sure hope they don't do that. The Sigma is not a user friendly arrangement.

Edited November 8, 2023 by algrove

[SrMi]

6 hours ago, algrove said:

I was talking about the LHSA meeting in 2018. Historical Society members often collect and use older Leica cameras so to me this was not the group to query about who would buy or not buy an M with built-in EVF.

I must look at your link as to which year they are referring to. Overgaard was in the room in 2o18 and 5 were in favor of the EVF M and to get to five Overgaard had to say he would buy 2 models of it.

I now see this meeting you refer to was an LSI meeting in Oct 2022. 4 yard later than the LHSA meeting. Let's hope we are 4 years closer to something new.

To clarify: LSI is the new name of LHSA.

Edited November 8, 2023 by SrMi

[algrove]

1 minute ago, SrMi said:

To clarify: LSI is the new name of LHSA.

I know, but the demographics are changing so I'm told. 

[evikne]

I think nothing beats a rangefinder for manual focusing. But it's frustrating when miscalibration or focus shift makes it unreliable. 

An EVF that shows both the actual exposure and depth of field, with a simulated RF patch overlay, would combine the best of both worlds. But I don't know if it would be technically feasible.

Edited November 8, 2023 by evikne

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[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, algrove said:

I sure hope they don't do that. The Sigma is not a user friendly arrangement.

What killed the fp in my option was the comically-awkward side-mount EVF and the poor add-on grips. For a compact viewfinder-less M, Leica could keep the exact same grip they have for the M11 and just make it shorter on the left. They could add the Q3 tilt screen to make the rear LCD more useful as well.

[Smudgerer]

14 hours ago, hdmesa said:

Something I haven't seen mentioned or I missed it is what about the idea of an even smaller M that omits a viewfinder altogether (M11-C/Compact), leaving just the LCD and an optional new Visoflex 3 (upgraded to Q3 EVF specs) for previewing shots. Think of it as Leica's version of the tiny full frame 60mp Sigma fp. The camera could come bundled with the Visoflex at a discount or purchased without it.

An interesting idea........Rather like a digital version of this camera I just found mint for €185,00, a digital Leica version would come for slightly more €€€€ though.

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