Would you buy an EVF only M camera? [MERGED]

[IkarusJohn]

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6 minutes ago, SrMi said:

If you are following what is going on in USA, then the association is instant.

Only if you buy into it.

I do follow the US - particularly the politics, as it’s fascinating.  But then, the US is only 5% of global population, so there’s a lot of other things to follow …

[Jeff S]

25 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

But then, the US is only 5% of global population…

Twenty years ago… now closer to 4.2%.

Jeff

[SrMi]

38 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

Only if you buy into it.

I do follow the US - particularly the politics, as it’s fascinating.  But then, the US is only 5% of global population, so there’s a lot of other things to follow …

I wonder if people follow more what is happening in Zimbabwe than in New Zealand because Zimbabwe has three times the population of New Zealand.

[IkarusJohn]

55 minutes ago, SrMi said:

I wonder if people follow more what is happening in Zimbabwe than in New Zealand because Zimbabwe has three times the population of New Zealand.

Probably, though for the wrong reasons.  We should certainly be more global in our outlook - try comparing the headlines in the San Francisco Chronicle with Der Spiegel, or The Times.

Social media is even more inward looking.

[SrMi]

27 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

Probably, though for the wrong reasons.  We should certainly be more global in our outlook - try comparing the headlines in the San Francisco Chronicle with Der Spiegel, or The Times.

Social media is even more inward looking.

I have subscription and read WSJ, WP, NYT, NZZ, The Times, and The Telegraph. I have a subscription for SF Chronicle to read what is happening locally, but not globally. 

[jaapv]

Err… What has all this got to do with an EVF M ? 

[LocalHero1953]

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I voted again.

For some reason this thread has reactivated and reappeared in my activity stream. I misread the date of the OP as January 23, and forgot that I voted a year ago.

I can't remember how I voted last time, but reading my post on p1 I suspect I haven't changed my mind (i.e. I'm undecided!)

[Ouroboros]

I might be tempted to vote if the options were a little more ‘grown up’.

[Besprosvet]

Not for me, I wouldn't spend 8k on something that can be equally done by a good old used SL with an adapter.

That said I don't know if Leica will ever make something like this. What's the idea? Making a bayonet Q with no AF?

I mean, you can, but if you price it over 4/5k many users will pick a Q line camera instead of it, all in all the Q is not that expensive for what it offers, that 28 1.7 is versatile and absolutely amazing.

Unless, this hypotetical M mount Q camera has some extra functions that would make the user experience and ergonomics so much better than any Q or SL with adapters. Like some kind of rangefinder simulation, obviously no viewfinder blackout, an evf as huge as a cinema screen with very good eye relief...

[jpark114]

I use M 11 when I want to take a time taking pictures, not to take pictures quickly and easily.  If M becomes EVF only or EVF&OVF like Fuji, then it kinda removes that special aura that people in Leica Community lust for.  I really can't explain, but it's in a similar way that M11(being too generic? or being too electrical?) is on the verge of either being accepted or rejected by the people.  When something crosses the line too much, then suddenly we start to compare with other brand, and Leica doesn't look so good anymore.  

For example, if Sony were to introduce a RX1M3 with all the bells and whistles from A1, I'd be hard pressed to consider Q2 or future Q3 over it.   

[SrMi]

AFAICT, the only possibility is that Leica may launch an EVF based M, in addition to RF Ms. 
Abandoning RF is not an option for Leica.

[Jeff S]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

AFAICT, the only possibility is that Leica may launch an EVF based M, in addition to RF Ms. 
Abandoning RF is not an option for Leica.

Stefan Daniel has committed to an M having RF “as long as he’s around.”

 

He more recently said that Leica might also produce an EVF-based M if enough customers were interested.  He amended the count to at least several thousand (after initially saying a couple of thousand), as I recall.

Jeff

Edited February 6, 2023 by Jeff S

[S Maclean]

I would miss the rangefinder.  I actually find it more effective to use in some environments than an EVF. That’s the whole point of the M system.

This said,  I have an evf I use with the M11 when I need to and I Don’t find it too big or cumbersome.  To me, that’s the best option. 

i also just got an x2d, which is lovely. But testing both cameras side by side I often found the M11 to be a faster and more organic experience.  Maybe I’m just used to it.
 

 

[otto.f]

Leica has started close focus options in two 35mm’s, which are useless without EVF. They might introduce the 50APO with that option too. In the meantime these lenses need a longer time than ever to appear on the market after introduction. But if all the M lenses are going that way, especially the Noctilux’s, who will care about some grumpy old men who prefer the traditional rangefinder just because they are used to it and their age doesn’t bend to new ergonomics? Besides, these men don’t need a new M anyway and will use their M9-M11’s until they pass away or need too strong glasses for any M.

[otto.f]

9 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I voted again.

For some reason this thread has reactivated and reappeared in my activity stream. I misread the date of the OP as January 23, and forgot that I voted a year ago.

I can't remember how I voted last time, but reading my post on p1 I suspect I haven't changed my mind (i.e. I'm undecided!)

This topic might be subject to be seen differently over the years

[SrMi]

6 minutes ago, otto.f said:

Leica has started close focus options in two 35mm’s, which are useless without EVF. They might introduce the 50APO with that option too. In the meantime these lenses need a longer time than ever to appear on the market after introduction. But if all the M lenses are going that way, especially the Noctilux’s, who will care about some grumpy old men who prefer the traditional rangefinder just because they are used to it and their age doesn’t bend to new ergonomics? Besides, these men don’t need a new M anyway and will use their M9-M11’s until they pass away or need too strong glasses for any M.

I  need EVF/LCD for anything wider than 35mm (I wear glasses). However, it does not mean that lenses wider than 28mm are subverting the idea of the rangefinder.

[lct]

20 minutes ago, otto.f said:

Leica has started close focus options in two 35mm’s, which are useless without EVF. They might introduce the 50APO with that option too. In the meantime these lenses need a longer time than ever to appear on the market after introduction. But if all the M lenses are going that way, especially the Noctilux’s, who will care about some grumpy old men who prefer the traditional rangefinder just because they are used to it and their age doesn’t bend to new ergonomics? Besides, these men don’t need a new M anyway and will use their M9-M11’s until they pass away or need too strong glasses for any M.

All oldies are not the same but they tend to lose some body and mind flexibility with age. Being there doing that . Now, those who think that LV is just a fad that Leica will abandon soon or late are just wishful thinking. LV is here to stay and to get better. The only question is whether this evolution will stop at the Visoflex or take another form like an EVF-M. In all cases, rangefinders are here to stay and to get better as well so the EVF-M can only be a complement if it comes, not a replacement nobody's requesting anyway.

[MrPaulK]

I use several lenses which  are only made possible/practical by LV (in particular two R macro lenses), it makes the system very significantly more flexible and usable and add significant value to the body.

[setuporg]

As Czech and Slovak republic, or Montenegro and Serbia, we need to part ways with the LV crowd.  Let Leica fork the mirrorless soapbox with buttons for them, with the Q and SL series, and we'll stick with the M.  The M is unique and should not be polluted with EVF-first mentality.  All the rest of the world is there, except 907x+503cw setup and Leica S.  In our OVF redoubt, we'll enjoy the views unmediated by pixels or computers judging what we should see.

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[Kiwimac]

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