digitalfx Posted January 21, 2022 Share #21 Posted January 21, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, Photoworks said: Not sure I agree with that. SL2 viewfinder if close to double the resolution and I can focus Noctilux lenses with out any focus aid and no magnification. SL2 EVF is the gold standard...I can also focus on Noctilux w/o focus aid. I wish the Visoflex 2 matched this. but its closer to 1.5x the resolution than double...still a significant difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wandering Photographer Posted January 21, 2022 Share #22 Posted January 21, 2022 I am disappointed that the new Visoflex does not provide GPS. I have an M10-R and have the Visoflex 020 on all the time. I focus with the range finder and use the Visoflex for framing and previewing the histogram and the image brightness and, when I can get the satellite signal, the GPS location of the image. Having to connect my cell phone to the camera via Fotos, to get GPS coordinates is not appealing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 21, 2022 Share #23 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) On a walk today with an f4 macro Elmar I took every shot first focussed with the RF and then with the Viso. I turned peaking off after a while and that improved the experience. Results were a bit better with the RF in general. Then I went out with the F1 50 Nocti and did the same thing. Again, results were better with the RF on average however my Nocti has an infinity focus miscalibration on my M11 so the Viso always wins at or close to infinity. Overall it is a useful if pricey addition and it’ll stay in my bag for some specific circumstances. one thing: if you try to use the RF while the Viso is attached you spectacles might well rub against the hard edge of the Viso frame where it projects rearward near the RF viewfinder. Edited January 21, 2022 by tashley 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2022 Share #24 Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 7:21 PM, onasj said: Yes, it does. Or put more accurately, if auto review is ON, then after capture you see the photo you just took first, until your shutter half press is detected by the camera, which then causes the live view to return to the visoflex. If you turn review OFF, then no shutter half press is needed to restore your live view. So less time out of live view. Thank you @onasj. Any reduction of blackouts in electronic shutter mode? Sorry to bother you again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 24, 2022 Share #25 Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 3:49 PM, tashley said: On a walk today with an f4 macro Elmar I took every shot first focussed with the RF and then with the Viso. I turned peaking off after a while and that improved the experience. Results were a bit better with the RF in general. Then I went out with the F1 50 Nocti and did the same thing. Again, results were better with the RF on average however my Nocti has an infinity focus miscalibration on my M11 so the Viso always wins at or close to infinity. Overall it is a useful if pricey addition and it’ll stay in my bag for some specific circumstances. one thing: if you try to use the RF while the Viso is attached you spectacles might well rub against the hard edge of the Viso frame where it projects rearward near the RF viewfinder. Did you focus with Visoflex wide open or stopped down? Did you use magnification to focus? I prefer focusing with rangefinder for convenience and speed. When on a tripod, I use Visoflex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onasj Posted January 24, 2022 Share #26 Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, lct said: Thank you @onasj. Any reduction of blackouts in electronic shutter mode? Sorry to bother you again... YES, actually! If I set auto review to OFF or WHILE SHUTTER IS PRESSED, and shutter to ELECTRONIC only, and drive mode to SINGLE, then the blackout is less over the Visoflex 2 and the capture frame rate goes up. If I then change the drive mode to CONTINUOUS HIGH speed, the blackout is so low and the frame rate is so fast it is effectively showing you a modestly stuttered live view while shooting. Worked better than I anticipated. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #27 Posted January 27, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mine finally arrived...a few initial thoughts. DESIGN Based on comments its either a love/hate. Personally I really like the new design, looks great on the M11 and feels like it belongs. Compared to the previous generation which looked like an after thought the Visoflex 2 looks like its part of the camera. It feels like its a metal exterior...heavy, but defiantly not too heavy. It actually feels great. The rare earth magnets work perfectly to lock it into down position, the two additional indent positions are nice, just wish it was a bit stronger hold at those positions. The Diopter is very stiff, making it less likely to move positions than previous EVF. The only negative IMO is the fact that the EVF protrudes past the top back edge of the body, if it was flush with the back edge it would get a 10/10 from me. This is purely an aesthetics issue though, even though it extends past the body of the camera, my glasses do not touch the EVF when moving from EVF to RF or back. I also noticed that one big advantage to this new design is that you dont actually have to bring it up against your glasses. The rectangular shape is wide enough that you can see the full image (with glasses on) and focus easily without pressing your eye or glasses against the EVF. RESOLUTION, QUALITY and BLACKOUT The EVF image is bright and clear. In bright daylight the image pops and its easy to focus. Its a big improvement over the previous model. The resolution, although over 1.5X greater than the 020 model, still falls short. When Focus assist zooms in, the image is soft. Its still easy to focus, but its clear that we still need greater resolution in a EVF. Blackout is greatly improved over previous models...I actually didnt even notice it at first. I had to go back and test again to determine how long it lasted for this post. IMO its a non issue...and frankly moving from Rangefinder to EVF is a seamless experience unlike previous models. I dont sense any greater shutter delays vs shooting with Rangefinder. This is the first EVF experience that feels worthy of the M camera. First impressions are really good...if it matched the SL2 resolution it would be a home run. I'll add additional comments as I use it more, I literally just unboxed it a few hours ago. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328788-leica-visoflex-2-what-do-you-think/?do=findComment&comment=4369732'>More sharing options...
tsleica Posted January 27, 2022 Share #28 Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) Wouldnt it be better.. If Leica just had a thin flippy screen.. And adiosed... that montrosity of a finder? Edited January 27, 2022 by tsleica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 27, 2022 Share #29 Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, digitalfx said: if it was flush with the back edge it would get a 10/10 from me. If it was flush to the back edge you would perhaps wonder why your nose always touches the back screen or even in the optical finder's ocular ... (general problem with Leica viewfinders and noses which are not very short). 9 minutes ago, digitalfx said: and im worried it will scratch my glasses over time. Isn't the edge of the finder made of plastic? Then I should not worry. The metal of M3/M2-finders causes problems for glasses. Edited January 27, 2022 by UliWer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 27, 2022 Share #30 Posted January 27, 2022 How easy is it to use the OVF if you are a left-eye shooter with (or without) spectacles, with that rear protrusion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #31 Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, UliWer said: If it was flush to the back edge you would perhaps wonder why your nose always touches the back screen ... (general problem with Leica viewfinders and noses which are not very short). Isn't the edge of the finder made of plastic? Then I should not worry. The metal of M3/M2-finders causes problems for glasses. Yes, I just noticed the nose issue...actually the extension is sized perfectly for my nose And regarding scratching glasses when using rangefinder, its actually a non issue. I thought my glasses were hitting the protruding corner of the EVF, but they are actually hitting the rangefinder eyepiece only...so the rear protrusion is really an aesthetic issue only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #32 Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: How easy is it to use the OVF if you are a left-eye shooter with (or without) spectacles, with that rear protrusion? Thats difficult to judge because I am right-eye dominate and its very difficult to use my left eye. But I dont think its an issue either. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #33 Posted January 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, tsleica said: Wouldnt it be better.. If Leica just had a thin flippy screen.. And adiosed... that montrosity of a finder? Defiantly no...a screen and an EVF are completely different tools. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 27, 2022 Share #34 Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, digitalfx said: is sized perfectly for my nose This qualifies you as a future beta-tester. The material is the real issue for scratching glasses: metal is bad for glasses which are not of glass (most glasses now). Plastic will always be softer than glasses made of plastic for optical glasses. Edited January 27, 2022 by UliWer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #35 Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, UliWer said: This qualifies you as a future beta-tester. The material is the real issue for scratching glasses: metal is bad for glasses which are not of glass (most glasses now). Plastic will always be softer than glasses made of plastic for optical glasses. I had to get someone else to look at me while I placed my glasses against the OVF...and he confirmed my glasses aren't even touching the EVF...so I'll modify my first post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #36 Posted January 27, 2022 Had to take a photo to confirm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328788-leica-visoflex-2-what-do-you-think/?do=findComment&comment=4369760'>More sharing options...
LeicaR10 Posted January 27, 2022 Share #37 Posted January 27, 2022 I found the new Visoflex 2 to be an outstanding and necessary piece of gear for low light photography. The new size and resolution of the display are most welcome iMO. I find the design to be far better and more in keeping with the lines of the M11 camera body. I also welcome it is going to be backwards compatible with the M10-M. I also like how the finder is made from metal vs plastic from the previous versions. I am glad Leica updated the design and it works great for me. r/ Mark 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 27, 2022 Share #38 Posted January 27, 2022 Anybody already used the Visoflex 2 with an M10? I know that resolution will be lower than on the M11. It has also been said that image stabilization doesn't work with the M10, though I havn't seen any verfication for this statement. Anybody tested it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 27, 2022 Share #39 Posted January 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, digitalfx said: Had to take a photo to confirm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I I guess I should rephrase my question: how easy is it for a left-eye shooter to use the OVF without banging their forehead on the EVF? It looks like a close encounter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 27, 2022 Share #40 Posted January 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, UliWer said: Anybody already used the Visoflex 2 with an M10? I know that resolution will be lower than on the M11. It has also been said that image stabilization doesn't work with the M10, though I havn't seen any verfication for this statement. Anybody tested it? It needs new FW in M10 first which won't happen for a few months. Also the M10 cant take advantage of the full resolution. I would assume IS is in the camera not EVF as it works on both EVF and LCD 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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