sebben Posted January 18, 2022 Share #81 Posted January 18, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) All I can say is regardless of all the measurements of shutter delays, response times on paper as it were that there is a noticeable difference between the SL and the Leica M10 when it comes to the moment the camera captures after the shutter is released. In my mind this is because on the SL the shutter always has to close before it can open again to take the photo versus the M10 which just has to open the shutter. Since the M11 now operates like the SL I cannot see how it would be any different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 Hi sebben, Take a look here Shutter noise in M11. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
elmars Posted January 18, 2022 Share #82 Posted January 18, 2022 vor 2 Stunden schrieb jack-tucker: But the shutter of the M11 seems to me less prompt as compared to M10P, M240 or any analog M I know. The decisive word is "seems". So it seems to me first hearing the shutter sound and comparing it to the M10. But: 1. After a half year of practical use I cannot determine a practical diffrerence. 2. Leica says reaction time is equal. 3. Sean Reid an Jono Slack say it is very, very close due to their non scientific testing. So my conclusion is: The complex shutter noise makes us think there is delay where no delay is. But only scientific testing can proove this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 18, 2022 Share #83 Posted January 18, 2022 I have shot stopwatch with M10r and M11 to find out if there is a difference. The problem is that human reaction time factors in. Overall my result is, that if there is a difference in shutter lag, than it is very very small. One time I am faster with the M11, next time with M10r. Maybe I am more often slightly faster with the M10r? I would have to do statistics, but its too boaring to shoot stopwatches (on my iphone). Its more clear when shooting in live view, where one can even hear aand feel that there is a little longer lag when using the M10r in live view. And yes, I also feel the M10r to be more lick "klack" and the M11 a little more "klackack". 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 18, 2022 Share #84 Posted January 18, 2022 6 hours ago, sebben said: All I can say is regardless of all the measurements of shutter delays, response times on paper as it were that there is a noticeable difference between the SL and the Leica M10 when it comes to the moment the camera captures after the shutter is released. In my mind this is because on the SL the shutter always has to close before it can open again to take the photo versus the M10 which just has to open the shutter. Since the M11 now operates like the SL I cannot see how it would be any different. No M11 user notices an additional delay when compared to M10. It seems that only people who do not own M11 are bothered by the delay of 0.017ms. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebben Posted January 18, 2022 Share #85 Posted January 18, 2022 Maybe but I can notice the difference between the SL and the M and the SL was supposed to be super fast! Maybe the M11 has improved on this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJohn Posted January 20, 2022 Share #86 Posted January 20, 2022 I am glad that the topic was cleared by some Leica employment in the tech talk, @SrMi has a nice summary on that in this thread: Hence I will conclude from my humble perspective: I was right about a decrease in the shutter lag but I highly believe that I won't realise that 0,10s of an additional shutter lag. Still have to decide whether the M11 is a buy or not, but I really think that this is acceptable. In that talk they also stated that the M is about the rangefinder and the development of such is going to continue which sounded to me very trustable and promising! With all the other improvements due to having more room as the old metering is gone also benefits the M11. I have to say sorry for being wrong and a bit disappointed in the beginning to @elmars. But that tech talk at least regarding my uncertainties was helpful. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted January 21, 2022 Share #87 Posted January 21, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Apologies if this has been mentioned in this thread, I did not have time to read all of it, but I want to share something about the shutter lag. Using mechanical shutter, I observe that if I have the live view on (no EVF on the camera), the shutter lag is larger than not having the live view on, i.e. the live view creates its own incremental lag. Is this something that other people have observed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 21, 2022 Share #88 Posted January 21, 2022 vor 6 Stunden schrieb BJohn: I have to say sorry for being wrong and a bit disappointed in the beginning to @elmars. No need to be sorry. We are here for discussion about vital matters. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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