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M12, here we go.. I'm gonna swing for the fences boys:

* Phase detection on-sensor allowing focus confirmation in OVF

* Bring back the M5 form factor with the vertical strap hang

* New chonky M5 body leaves room for an IBIS implementation 

* Return of video with an 8K at up to 30p mode, which will actually be useful with IBIS

* Improved accessory EVF for all that video recording 

* Go crazy with all the grip/viewfinder accessories ala Sigma fp to extract as much margin as possible

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I just wanted to be on record as the first person writing the words M12-D       .... 😂

But seriously, for the vanilla M12, I vote for replacing the D pad with a little joystick a la SL2 -- we need to reclaim the thumb space lost by the ever-enlarging screen sizes.

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Mostly carrying things over from my M11 wishlist:

  1. No brightness sensor mucking up the top plate.
  2. Dot is black or silver chrome to match the body.
  3. Combined shutter speed + ISO + EV compensation dial like the Minolta CLE and Zeiss Ikon.
  4. 100mp sensor??? 16-bit RAW? Thinking about Ctein's old article lately: https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/02/why-80-megapixels-just-wont-be-enough.html
  5. IBIS.
  6. Sensor cleaning.
  7. Video.
  8. Full weather sealing, including updated lenses and lens mount upgrade service.

I can't really think of much else at the moment.

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I wonder if this thread should be "SL3, your next camera" and the only wish is to add all the things from the m11 that is missing from the SL2-s and put it in a ranger finder body".  Turn the M12 into a film camera with M10 specs and then all the old school M purists will be happy and all the people who secretly want a SL2 in a M body will be happy as well.

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1 hour ago, M Journey said:

I wonder if this thread should be "SL3, your next camera" and the only wish is to add all the things from the m11 that is missing from the SL2-s and put it in a ranger finder body".  Turn the M12 into a film camera with M10 specs and then all the old school M purists will be happy and all the people who secretly want a SL2 in a M body will be happy as well.

I like where this is going, but I think they should call it the S&M

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I can't lie.  If they made a new SL3 with all the upgrades from the M11 and SL2-s plus more tech goodies, EVF, IBIS, in a M body, I would be all over it.  I'm new to the rangefinder and haven't fallen in love with it so I'm ok with the EVF.  I got into the M for it's lenses, rendering, size, and incognito factor over using a typically mirrorless and large lenses.

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5 hours ago, Artin said:

M12 medium format , a whopping 120 mpx true to size 6x7 sensor new mount with no autofocus at all manual focus lenses only rangefinder only 

pretty much a Mamiya 7 style with Leica quality built and functionality 

base ISO 25 

120 mpx 6x7 sensor 

Ibis 

range finder with built in Diopter 

compact MF lenses 

I would pay 20K for a camera like that 

Perhaps S4?:)

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Am 14.1.2022 um 21:10 schrieb steveBK:

M12, here we go.. I'm gonna swing for the fences boys:

* Phase detection on-sensor allowing focus confirmation in OVF

Yes, focus confirmation in the OVF would be great (Then the permanent Live View would make more sense.). IBIS, if possible in the same housing. But please not more Pixels!
and please, before launching more new models, please focus on eliminating the crash causes of the firmware of the M10M and the M10R !!

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vor 9 Stunden schrieb Steve Ash:

Once again Mr. Daniel will pronounce that the M stands for the German word "Messsucher"...

Hmmm, but in the wonderful world of marketing it could easily become a rather "flexible" term😇. A famous german proverb goes in its english translation: "What do I care about my chatter from yesterday!"😅

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On 1/13/2022 at 9:39 PM, setuporg said:

Following a great example of @Al Brown, let's start a thread for the next one right away.

The starting topic will be this: M11 is a pretty radical departure from M10, which is a peak evolution of the full-frame digital M that started with M9.

M11 does not have an internal EVF/OVF combo, nor IBIS.  These are clearly two possible directions for the M to expand to.

M11 still does not have video.  However, the Maestro III processor and live view stabilization indicates that the processing power is there.  Could it be added later via firmware, left to M12, or left out of the M line for good?  For those of us with kids, taking one camera on a trip, video would be a great option to have.

What else do you think will come in M12 that is not in M11 but worth waiting for?

I fully agree with you. So far I am staying with the Leica M240, that provides still and video photography. The Leica M240 has a very nice sensor of 24 meg pixels made in Europe. I have preferred to invest in Summilux lenses to avoid taking pictures at ISO higner than 2000, where the M240 performs very well. I have never understood the motto"Less is More"; to me "Less is definitely less".

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2 hours ago, WvE said:

Back to simplicity please, better sensor with no more than 24MP, the rest is ballast for an M.  Alternatively, issue a lower priced basic M-E version.

Given how popular the M11 has been, I think its safe to say an M12 will most likely be just a tweaking of the M11.

We haven't seen an M10-E as yet so its hard to predict wether there will be an M11-E

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