TTArtisan 28mm f5.6

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Ok I know this is not a good test on the TT Artisan 28mm f 5.6 

Well I need you all to tell me if this works or not.

I took a day trip to Richmond Va to the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, it was the last day of the "Man Ray the Paris Years"  show and I took a picture in their sculpture garden

After the show I went back out and retook the same shot just different. Enjoy or not just let me know, thanks!  This was shot with the TT Artisan 28mm f5.6. Shot with a Sigma fp which is how I got the multi exposure while hand holding the camera, no tripod.

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[quietglow]

Has anyone tried one on an M8? I have one arriving tomorrow, and I'm very keen to see how that works. I prefer the 35mm FL, I prefer to use my M8, and a prefer very small lenses. Those three things don't go together very well, so I am thinking this may offer an option for a small walkaround setup.

[pippy]

I can't see any reason why it shouldn't work very well indeed.

In common with most lenses the TTA 28mm performs "poorest" at the edges and corners. With the crop-factor of the M8's sensor these 'problems' cease to be an issue.

Philip.

[quietglow]

23 hours ago, pippy said:

I can't see any reason why it shouldn't work very well indeed.

In common with most lenses the TTA 28mm performs "poorest" at the edges and corners. With the crop-factor of the M8's sensor these 'problems' cease to be an issue.

Philip.

Exactly!

Thank goodness for cats for lens "testing" (snow flying outside, wife still in meetings). Looks plenty sharp enough across the field to me. From reports, I also would have expected this shot to flare, and there is no sign of that. I did pop a 37mm B+W UV filter on it right out of the box.

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M8 @ f/5.6 | 1250iso 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by quietglow

[pippy]

25 minutes ago, quietglow said:

...Thank goodness for cats for lens "testing" (snow flying outside, wife still in meetings). Looks plenty sharp enough across the field to me. From reports, I also would have expected this shot to flare, and there is no sign of that. I did pop a 37mm B+W UV filter on it right out of the box...

Beautiful range of tones, quietglow. Makes me miss my M8.2...Your 'sitter' is a handsome thing too!

The issue of flare seems to be quite unusual in that some seem to get it fairly easily whereas for others it simply isn't an issue. Even when I try to force my lens to flare I can't get it to play ball. Like you I also stuck a decent multi-coated UVa filter on straight away and have always used the hood. I know that many of the high-profile on-line reviews were posted before the hoods were being shipped with the lenses so, for now, I'm guessing that using a filter and the dedicated hood will be a Very Good Idea if flare is to be minimised.

In terms of sharpness I must say it's performed way above my expectations. As it happens this afternoon I was printing-out some images I shot with it last week and the results are quite superb. There has been a bit of on-line chatter that the early (pre-production?) examples might not have been quite fully 'sorted' and that a certain amount of fine-tuning was implemented before the masses were given their allocation. I suppose it's a possibility.

Philip.

Edited February 24, 2022 by pippy

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Just for fits'n'giggles here's a throwaway snap taken at max. aperture and min. focus (on first 'E'). Nearest part of sign at extreme right was only around 12" / 30cm away. Camera was M Monochrom and lens profile was set as 28mm f2.8 Elmarit v3 (11804);

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[quietglow]

11 hours ago, pippy said:

Beautiful range of tones, quietglow. Makes me miss my M8.2...Your 'sitter' is a handsome thing too!

The issue of flare seems to be quite unusual in that some seem to get it fairly easily whereas for others it simply isn't an issue. Even when I try to force my lens to flare I can't get it to play ball. Like you I also stuck a decent multi-coated UVa filter on straight away and have always used the hood. I know that many of the high-profile on-line reviews were posted before the hoods were being shipped with the lenses so, for now, I'm guessing that using a filter and the dedicated hood will be a Very Good Idea if flare is to be minimised.

Thank you. He's usually camera shy but decided to cooperate, for once. I really do love my M8, and if I see an 8.2 for sale will certainly snap it up. I find myself going back to it despite having a MP240.

Thanks for the info on the lens. I think it could replace my Elmarit 28 as my go-to hiking lens when I don't need the extra speed. I got the hood in my box, so I assume I have a later model. 

[ejk64]

Bonjour, 

février 2022 _ carnaval de venise avec leica10-p "reporter" + ttartisan-m28/5.6 ...

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Edited February 25, 2022 by ejk64

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M8 | f/11

[NigelG]

Just to update the thread I have been keeping this lens on the M9M. Coding set as the 28 Elmarit v3 as per "Pippy"'s post. I might look at what difference different codings make but certainly it seems to work fine and means I won't confuse the EXIF with any of my other 28s...

I've found the results almost* comparable even to my 28 Cron V2 at f5.6/8 (of which I seem to have lucked-out and got a stellar copy (see other threads)) but obviously much lighter/smaller and less expensive for street/travel/casual shooting.            * Pixel peeping not looking at the overall image

I've got on with it enough that my hatred of changing lenses on the street has meant that I snagged another copy so I can keep one on the M9M and put one on the Edition 60 (thus breaking the "thou shalt never take a Monochrom and colour M out at the same time if thou art a true disciple of the M" commandment). I can pocket the cameras in my puffy winter jacket with ease.

With the "Women's Day" 12.5% discount and free shipping - and the lack of import duties or VAT in the US it cost me $286 or £215 which is less than either of the Leica lens hoods I ordered recently from Leica Miami...

I'm going to compare the supplied hood with a step-up ring + Leica Elmar hood at some point re vignetting etc. If it works out I can see this + Elmar 50 + 90MEM as a tiny "pocket" 28/50/90 set.

[tom.w.bn]

Can someone please explain the appeal of these 28/5.6 lenses compared to other small lenses like the Elmarit-M 28/2.8? 

[Ray Vonn]

8 minutes ago, tom.w.bn said:

Can someone please explain the appeal of these 28/5.6 lenses compared to other small lenses like the Elmarit-M 28/2.8? 

I think, at least in the case of the Summaron, it’s size, rendering and use of it for a specific purpose ie street photography or wide angled subjects/ cityscape/ landscape.  I’m guessing one would have to know that specific purpose in mind before taking it out and shooting with it. Whether the rendering of the TTArtisan is of any similarity to the Summaron is being addressed in this interesting thread.

[Dennis]

I'm tempted to get one. It would be an "f/8 and be there" style shooting and mood. FWIS, it's a super bargain.

@pippy, do you think the LLL 35/2, at f/8, has a similar IQ and rendering to the TTA? I mean comparable sharpness but not so modern. The latter looks fine enough for me for general street photography and city/landscape. Honorable corners, very low distortion, and vignette (at f/8). It could be an excellent tiny companion for CV 21/4 and 35/1.4II when one just wants to enjoy specific focal lengths with super small size and weight.

I ask you because (except for the Summilux of the Q2M) I don't have any 28mm for M at the moment. I had the Elmarit-M asph (current) previously and loved it. I regretted giving it away, but I was a super newbie RF user. It was a mistake. But I can survive 🙂 I won't sell/exchange an M-lens again.

It looks like the Ultron II is a terrific lens, very comparable with the Elmarit-M. But despite the IQ, I don't like the 50cm MFD. I don't often use the LV and the 28mm is still a joy for an OVF. I use to move the focus tab to the left, and I know it's MFD thanks to the muscle memory. With Ultron II, I have to change this habit. Does it make sense what I'm saying?

My sweet spot (and most used focal length, w/o doubt) is 35mm. If I buy (again) the Elmarit-M, I'm sure It will stay w/ me forever, and I can use it for professional and personal use. But $3k it's a lot; I think I don't need it (although I will use it). So, the TTA would be a lens that does not affect my finances a lot but will still deliver/accomplish my needs.

 

 

      

[KFo]

1 hour ago, tom.w.bn said:

Can someone please explain the appeal of these 28/5.6 lenses compared to other small lenses like the Elmarit-M 28/2.8? 

For one thing the summaron is SMALL.

I like the aesthetics of the images produced by the Summaron: slight vignetting and a bit of barrel distortion along with the falloff of resolution at the sides and corners.  It fits well into my particular aesthetic sense.  It also seems pretty flare proof...

It is not a technical champion by any means, there are many lenses that would look much higher performance on a spec sheet or in detailed testing.  Those things are not important to me for this lens.

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Size comparison....small....

Edited March 14, 2022 by KFo

[Capuccino-Muffin]

Physics being what they are; any 28mm lens set at the same aperture value will give the same dof. Summaron & Summilux, the same.

You can use a 28 elmarit asph set at f8  as a point and shoot for the same liberating shooting style.

This being said, I am a firm SUMMARON 28mm lover. Because of its unique imaging, size and habdling. If I was only after the poInt and shoot style, the elmarit would have sufficed plenty.

[tom.w.bn]

vor 15 Stunden schrieb KFo:

For one thing the summaron is SMALL.

I like the aesthetics of the images produced by the Summaron: slight vignetting and a bit of barrel distortion along with the falloff of resolution at the sides and corners.  It fits well into my particular aesthetic sense.  It also seems pretty flare proof...

It is not a technical champion by any means, there are many lenses that would look much higher performance on a spec sheet or in detailed testing.  Those things are not important to me for this lens.

...

Size comparison....small....

...

Thanks for the explanation and especially the size comparison. That is really much smaller than the Elmarit-M

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17 hours ago, Dennis said:

 

I'm tempted to get one. It would be an "f/8 and be there" style shooting and mood. FWIS, it's a super bargain.

@pippy, do you think the LLL 35/2, at f/8, has a similar IQ and rendering to the TTA? I mean comparable sharpness but not so modern. The latter looks fine enough for me for general street photography and city/landscape. Honorable corners, very low distortion, and vignette (at f/8). It could be an excellent tiny companion for CV 21/4 and 35/1.4II when one just wants to enjoy specific focal lengths with super small size and weight.

I ask you because (except for the Summilux of the Q2M) I don't have any 28mm for M at the moment. I had the Elmarit-M asph (current) previously and loved it. I regretted giving it away, but I was a super newbie RF user. It was a mistake. But I can survive 🙂 I won't sell/exchange an M-lens again.

It looks like the Ultron II is a terrific lens, very comparable with the Elmarit-M. But despite the IQ, I don't like the 50cm MFD. I don't often use the LV and the 28mm is still a joy for an OVF. I use to move the focus tab to the left, and I know it's MFD thanks to the muscle memory. With Ultron II, I have to change this habit. Does it make sense what I'm saying?

My sweet spot (and most used focal length, w/o doubt) is 35mm. If I buy (again) the Elmarit-M, I'm sure It will stay w/ me forever, and I can use it for professional and personal use. But $3k it's a lot; I think I don't need it (although I will use it). So, the TTA would be a lens that does not affect my finances a lot but will still deliver/accomplish my needs.

 

 

 

      

Hi Dennis, I have the 28mm f2.8 Elmarit, ( what version I don't know but I got it with my first M9 new way back when, so it's that old......), the Summaron 28mm 5.6, and now the Ultron 28mm F2. I sold a Summicron 28mm f2 because I found I disliked the VF blockage of that lens when mounted with a lens hood............I like the 28mm focal length obviously.

I am extremely pleased with the Ultron, it's handling, it's size, it's quality of manufacture, the pricing and of course it's performance........I'd recommend you take a good look at one. For me it's on par with the Elmarit in all those categories, ( except price! ). The TT and the Summaron 28/5.6's are really nice lenses for sure, but the Ultron has proved to be several steps up from those lenses for my useage.

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[pippy]

18 hours ago, Dennis said:

...I'm tempted to get one. It would be an "f/8 and be there" style shooting and mood. FWIS, it's a super bargain.

@pippy, do you think the LLL 35/2, at f/8, has a similar IQ and rendering to the TTA? I mean comparable sharpness but not so modern. The latter looks fine enough for me for general street photography and city/landscape. Honorable corners, very low distortion, and vignette (at f/8). It could be an excellent tiny companion for CV 21/4 and 35/1.4II when one just wants to enjoy specific focal lengths with super small size and weight...

Good question. Short answer is 'Yes' for everything you mention. Would I recommend the lens for your needs? Yes I would.

Make no mistake; the TTA is a very sharp lens and its performance makes a complete mockery of the asking price. There is, as you already guess, some softness in the corners and a bit of vignetting at wider apertures (such as they are!) which is all to be expected from such an optical design but, seriously, nothing I'd spare a second's worth of time even thinking about.

As a truly pocketable "point'n'shoot" 28mm lens it's a perfect choice as long as f5.6 is fast enough - and, for my needs, it usually is. I'm not sure I could find anything I know with 100% certainty was shot at f5.6 but put it this way; from the mixed-bag of images I shot a week or so ago I can't tell for sure simply from looking at the images which were shot at f5.6 / f8 / f11 so that says quite a bit about the performance of the thing even when used wide-open.

As I think you know I also have (and love) the v1 Elmarit ASPH (as well as, funnily enough, the v1 Voigtlander Ultron) and I suspect that the Leica lens might outperform the TTA in the corners when running in the 'Pixel-Peeping' stakes but for general usage? The TTA is just such a joy to use I haven't once fitted the Elmarit since the TTA arrived. It's hardly a 'perfect' lens but if one embraces the quirkyness of its character then Life is Sweet.

I've a bit of urgent work to get through before stumps-up Wed. but if there's anything specific you would like to see then let me know and I'll see what I can do to help. I've not compared the TTA with the LLL but I did spend one day shooting snaps (not 'street', though) with the TTA (on the M Monochrom) alongside the '74 v2 Summilux (M-D) and the images from both set-ups work really well together so, considering how similar is the rendering of the LLL and the Summilux, I think the TTA / LLL pairing would work equally well.

Philip.

Edited March 15, 2022 by pippy

[mkur]

Reposting from the BW thread. A lovely lens.

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