Tailwagger Posted October 25, 2021 Share #21 Posted October 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, jonoslack said: Well, I think the M10-R is a major upgrade from the M10... I probably will get an M11 as well... it's nice to have two capable bodies. Damn it. So what you're really saying is that not only are we going to want to get an M11, but we're going to want to keep the 10-R along side it as well. Oh well, in for a penny, in for fifteen thousand or so £s. 😉 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris_tribble Posted October 25, 2021 Share #22 Posted October 25, 2021 My thinking is that the M10-R will be a defining model for Leica, and, especially if the rumours are true, the M11 may end up being like the M7, a step too far (a camera with features I don’t want or need). I still have an M6 TTL and would never contemplate getting a replacement (Resolution… I really should put a film through it this year!). My experience of the M10-R is that it does everything I need from a rangefinder. As I’ve moved across to a pair of SL2s for most assignments, the single M will be perfect for my needs - hope for many years to come. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted October 25, 2021 Share #23 Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Al Brown said: I absolutely agree with both sentences. That beauty just had to be bought.... You guys are now seriously messing up my decision process… I’m partial to silver Leicas, but with M10-R decided to get the black for a change, when it came out last year. I love the M10-R, but never bonded with how the black looks/feels. So I decided I would get the silver after all, sell my black, and be happy. But now all the oohs and aahs over the BP are making me rethink if I should get the BP instead of silver… All pretty ridiculous, I know! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted October 25, 2021 Share #24 Posted October 25, 2021 The BP is a thing of beauty, that's for sure. Considering it my forever camera at this point, though I'm sure the 11, 12, 13, 14 etc will all be lust worthy. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325655-m10-r-or-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4299874'>More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted October 25, 2021 Share #25 Posted October 25, 2021 Veering off topic here. Is there a tactile difference between the regular black and the black paint? Or is it mostly the look? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 25, 2021 Share #26 Posted October 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: The BP is a thing of beauty, that's for sure. Considering it my forever camera at this point, though I'm sure the 11, 12, 13, 14 etc will all be lust worthy. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That is indeed lovely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 25, 2021 Share #27 Posted October 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) OK, here is my opinion. You already have a M10 so no hurry. Wait until the M11 appears and decide then. I own the m10r and really like it, but I also liked the M10 and I am sure I would/will like the M11 when it appears. If you feel you don't want to wait ... my experience with M10r is very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted October 25, 2021 Share #28 Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Yarosuav said: Veering off topic here. Is there a tactile difference between the regular black and the black paint? Or is it mostly the look? IMO there is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 25, 2021 Share #29 Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Yarosuav said: Veering off topic here. Is there a tactile difference between the regular black and the black paint? Or is it mostly the look? If not initially, there likely will be when the paint inevitably rubs off. I find it interesting that many who love the black paint, love it even more when it turns gold. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 26, 2021 Share #30 Posted October 26, 2021 11 hours ago, Jeff S said: I find it interesting that many who love the black paint, love it even more when it turns gold. A love I never quite understood. I still can't see why a working tool with a less durable finish should attract so much desire. If you have antique japanese lacquer you protect it and cherish it, and never take it out into the rain or the battlefield. The lacquer is lovely, and part if its charm is its fragility. But a camera? It beats me! I'll stick with a working tool that has a workperson-like unfussy, black chrome finish... 🤨 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted October 26, 2021 Share #31 Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, chris_tribble said: A love I never quite understood. I still can't see why a working tool with a less durable finish should attract so much desire. If you have antique japanese lacquer you protect it and cherish it, and never take it out into the rain or the battlefield. The lacquer is lovely, and part if its charm is its fragility. But a camera? It beats me! I'll stick with a working tool that has a workperson-like unfussy, black chrome finish... 🤨 I agree - i think they look lovely, but I would understand on the MP, a camera that I am planning to keep as long as I can hold it. On a digital camera, I am not so sure. if I was to buy my first 10-r, maybe, but trading my existing one for a BP does not make much sense (to me) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share #32 Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, chris_tribble said: A love I never quite understood. I still can't see why a working tool with a less durable finish should attract so much desire. If you have antique japanese lacquer you protect it and cherish it, and never take it out into the rain or the battlefield. The lacquer is lovely, and part if its charm is its fragility. But a camera? It beats me! I'll stick with a working tool that has a workperson-like unfussy, black chrome finish... 🤨 Well Chris, the difference is that for many a Leica M isn't a "working tool", more of an object of desire, a thing of beauty in the eye of the beholder maybe, but a working tool? Not so much in most part. A shiny Estwing hammer to be admired rather than to drive nails. Edited October 26, 2021 by petermullett correction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 26, 2021 Share #33 Posted October 26, 2021 Estwing. 😃 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted October 26, 2021 Share #34 Posted October 26, 2021 Just discovered Estwing goldening 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 26, 2021 Share #35 Posted October 26, 2021 4 hours ago, chris_tribble said: A love I never quite understood. I still can't see why a working tool with a less durable finish should attract so much desire. If you have antique japanese lacquer you protect it and cherish it, and never take it out into the rain or the battlefield. The lacquer is lovely, and part if its charm is its fragility. But a camera? It beats me! I'll stick with a working tool that has a workperson-like unfussy, black chrome finish... 🤨 Agree… plus I just don’t like the look of the black and brass…the antithesis for me of the lovely black finish that attracts in the first place. My M8.2 was black paint, but less glossy, and lasted years without rubbing off and without babying. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 26, 2021 Share #36 Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, petermullett said: Well Chris, the difference is that for many a Leica M isn't a "working tool", more of an object of desire, a thing of beauty in the eye of the beholder maybe, but a working tool? Not so much in most part. A shiny Estwing hammer to be admired rather than to drive nails. In 1965 I was sent to a hardware store to collect a set of tools for my apprenticeship. The store had a scale for weighing out things per pound like nails etc. When it came time to pick a hammer the owner took three to the scale. A dandy looking Estwing with a leather handle, a Plumb with a wooden handle and a Stanley with a wooden handle. All 16oz. hammers. The Estwing was a total weight of 16 ounces. The other two weighed more due to the head being 16 ounces in weight. He told me the Estwing looked good but not as effective when I was going to have to swing it all day long. A lesson I never forgot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 26, 2021 Share #37 Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 5:58 PM, sarav said: consider M11 needs some debugging when dispatched and will be optimal...probably in a year? ...or more? Maybe with the P version in 3 years. M10R is the pinnacle of M10 era and it's almost bug-free...now! Wait three years for the M11P? By the three year mark, the M12 will soon arrive on the scene and then you'll have to start the whole process over!! 😱 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share #38 Posted October 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, jdlaing said: In 1965 I was sent to a hardware store to collect a set of tools for my apprenticeship. The store had a scale for weighing out things per pound like nails etc. When it came time to pick a hammer the owner took three to the scale. A dandy looking Estwing with a leather handle, a Plumb with a wooden handle and a Stanley with a wooden handle. All 16oz. hammers. The Estwing was a total weight of 16 ounces. The other two weighed more due to the head being 16 ounces in weight. He told me the Estwing looked good but not as effective when I was going to have to swing it all day long. A lesson I never forgot. Well as with cameras we are all different...........I've owned and heavily used Estwings for quite maybe 4-5 decades, built three homes with them and remodelled more. I love the balance and the way they strike, they are good as long as you choose the right weight, head and length for the job......but as I said, we all have differing choices. Thanks for the spelling correction by the way, damn auto-correct never was a builder! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJH Posted October 26, 2021 Share #39 Posted October 26, 2021 Interesting topic and my own approach has been to buy the M10R Black Paint as frankly it's the pinnacle of the M10 range in terms of performance (putting Mono to one side) and looks. I might buy the M11 but I'll probably hold back as whilst it will be a step up I'm not sure it's going to be terribly material to daily use. I'd also be buying the 'base model' M11 and I'd rather wait until the M11P arrive or R and then decide. Remember what happened when the M10P was launched, many many used M10's only a year or so old being traded in. Once the M11 launches as M10R users look to upgrade the used price will drop so a used M10R early in the New Year might make sense and then trade for an M11P or R when it lands and not lose too much........ but damn that M10R Black Paint!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 26, 2021 Share #40 Posted October 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Herr Barnack said: Wait three years for the M11P? By the three year mark, the M12 will soon arrive on the scene and then you'll have to start the whole process over!! 😱 How old were you when you finally figured this out? 😃 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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