Danner Posted August 12, 2021 Share #1 Posted August 12, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) From Fred Miranda, announcement expected soon... FedMiranda.com Link 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 12, 2021 Posted August 12, 2021 Hi Danner, Take a look here Rumor: New Heliar Classic 50mm f/1.5 VM. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
6bit Posted August 13, 2021 Share #2 Posted August 13, 2021 I’m excited to see this lens. Surprised they are doing ANOTHER 50mm. Surprised they are making a f1.5 Heliar design. I keep dreaming for a 90mm announcement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2021 Share #3 Posted August 13, 2021 Photo looks like another design variant of the Vintage Line 50mm f/1.5 II lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted August 13, 2021 Share #4 Posted August 13, 2021 They need to do a 24mm, now that Leica is out of that game. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarkleshark Posted August 13, 2021 Share #5 Posted August 13, 2021 This looks like it would go well ( like sick) with the M10-R black paint with the cross hatch aperture and focus rings to match the black paint version. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted August 13, 2021 Share #6 Posted August 13, 2021 Product photo. I agree, this looks great. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/323521-rumor-new-heliar-classic-50mm-f15-vm/?do=findComment&comment=4255997'>More sharing options...
cboy Posted August 13, 2021 Share #7 Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks great. Finally one without a chrome front ring. The heliar f3.5 is super sharp so i wonder this will be similiar Edited August 13, 2021 by cboy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted August 13, 2021 Share #8 Posted August 13, 2021 The Heliar optical design was really stretched to achieve the 50 f2.0 Heliar, and while I like mine, its performance is well short of the 3.5 (which I also have). Wide open has quite a glow due to aberrations, and a lot of focus shift as it is stopped down. The literature made quite a point of how getting an f2.0 out of the Heliar formula was quite an accomplishment. So I expect the f1.5 to be... interesting. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted August 13, 2021 8 hours ago, oldwino said: They need to do a 24mm, now that Leica is out of that game. Agreed. It's a big gap between 28 and 21. A compact Elmarit (or Summicron) 24 would be on my shopping list. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share #10 Posted August 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Al Brown said: Nobody can really tell if it is black paint-ish or not, right? It looks like black paint on brass to me. I wonder what hood they are going to make for it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted August 13, 2021 Share #11 Posted August 13, 2021 What are the benefits of a Heliar design? Lots of Leica glow without having to use real vintage lenses? More compact/lightweight? Cheaper to manufacture? I’m not familiar with a Heliar lens, but more choices does sound interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted August 13, 2021 Share #12 Posted August 13, 2021 The Heliar design is only 5 elements in 3 groups. With so few interface surfaces it should have good contrast, but it's hard to correct for aberrations at large apertures with so few elements. Same problem Leitz had stretching the 50 Elmar to f2.8 instead of 3.5 in 1958. The later Elmar-M performed better - so shows modern design methods can improve these simple designs. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted August 13, 2021 Share #13 Posted August 13, 2021 Anyone have any idea what “near future” likely means? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted August 17, 2021 Share #14 Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) It's official now: https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2F " this product is "created by the product concept opposite to the APO-LANTHAR 50mm F2 Aspherical," "The lens configuration is 6 elements in 3 groups. Spherical aberration and coma add an accent to the depiction of bokeh when the aperture is wide open, with the intention of using it for unique drawing. Among them, the company describes it as "a timeless bokeh" in that it suppresses the flow in the sagittal direction (so-called round and round bokeh)" https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosina.co.jp%2Fseihin%2Fvoigtlander%2Fvm-mount%2Fvm-h-50mm1_5%2Findex.html http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigtlander/vm-mount/vm-h-50mm1_5/index.html Edited August 17, 2021 by FrozenInTime 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted August 17, 2021 Share #15 Posted August 17, 2021 I have the VOIGTLANDER M 50mm f/1.5 II M Vintage Line Aspherical Lens. I will be interested to see how the Heliar will perform next my lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted August 17, 2021 Share #16 Posted August 17, 2021 Had an email from Robert White this morning announcing the lens. Details here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted August 17, 2021 Share #17 Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) I know its optical design is meant to replicate a more vintage rendering but I'd be curious to read whether focus-shift has been eliminated as it seems to have been a known issue with some previous Heliar designs. 'Soft and Dreamy' I could live with but not 'Out-of-Focus'... It will be interesting to read reviews from trusted snappers about how it draws. A bit like the 50mm f1.5 Summarit, perhaps, or more like the v1 Summilux? This bit of the advertising bumph in the link posted by Keith is a touch curious; "This unique Heliar look cannot be obtained with modern lenses that over correct all optical aberrations." How can optical aberrations be over-corrected? Surely they have either been corrected or they haven't?............ Visually it reminds me (a bit) of the old Olympus-OM Zuiko 50mm f1.4. I like it. I don't need another 50 but, still, I like it! Philip. Edited August 17, 2021 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted August 17, 2021 Share #18 Posted August 17, 2021 Sample photos look promising. http://www.cosina.co.jp/gallery/iida-h50mm-f1_5/index.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wojtek_87 Posted August 17, 2021 Share #19 Posted August 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, pippy said: "This unique Heliar look cannot be obtained with modern lenses that over correct all optical aberrations." How can optical aberrations be over-corrected? Surely they have either been corrected or they haven't?............ The optical formula doesn't contain any special lenses (asph, low disperssion etc) so the images will be very specific... I bet this is one of the most interesting lenses released not pursuing for clinical results. But Pippy - the term over corrected sounds strange indeed. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted August 17, 2021 Share #20 Posted August 17, 2021 vor 4 Minuten schrieb 6bit: Sample photos look promising. http://www.cosina.co.jp/gallery/iida-h50mm-f1_5/index.html Sample photos of the producer ever look pleasing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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