LEICA VARIO-ELMARIT-SL 24–70mm f/2.8 ASPH

[BernardC]

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6 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Sorry but D-Lux 7 has only 2 years of warranty. Just like LX100 II in Europe.

In North America it's typically 3 years vs. 1 year, for around 15% more at launch. 

As you mention, the Lumixes are heavilly discounted later in their commercial careers, whereas Leica's versions aren't (although they often offer the last few units as kits with extra accessories). 

Not a terrible deal if you prefer Leica's design changes and plan to keep the camera for a while. 

[nicci78]

D-Lux 7 was launched with 20% premium at 1,195$  
LX100 II was launched at 999$

Both offer only 2 years of warranty in the USA also. 
Leica has stopped offering 3 years worldwide for its compact cameras ages ago. 
 

But today D-Lux 7 price has gone up and is now sold at 1,295$. 
Whereas LX100 II price has gone down to 798$. 
A whopping 62% premium 😰 Does the Leica design (which required an additional handgrip at 170$ more) worth 500-670$ ? It is up to you. 
 

 

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Edited May 3, 2021 by nicci78

[Photoworks]

The Leica prices reflect the taxes that USA imposes on German optics, plus the salaries of a small German company. 
 

there have always been collaboration from Leica with different companies. Minolta, Panasonic, Nissan, Metz, Schneider. Still the menu and functionality that come out from Leica have been optimized for their systems.
 

Looking at Leica SL lenses, AF performance is better with native lenses, Panasonic and sigma generate power issues.. 

I don't think the Leica rebranded zoom is going to be the same usability then sigma.. but what is the point in speculating.

 

[BernardC]

7 hours ago, nicci78 said:

D-Lux 7 was launched with 20% premium at 1,195$  
LX100 II was launched at 999$

What I told you was actual street prices and warranty at the time of launch, as offered to me by my local reputable dealer. I briefly considered getting one of these cameras, based on specifications, but I changed my mind after handling it and viewing the files.

Ironically, one of the salespeople made the same comment, at the time, that you did. "The Leica version will be three times the price!" He was quite surprised when he looked-up the actual price.

I am not surprised that you can get the Panasonic version at a huge discount these days. It's years out-of production, and it does no good sitting in a warehouse. I doubt that Leica has more than a handful of units in stock. I'm sure that a friendly dealer could get you a heavily discounted "demo unit" if you really wanted one (which is Leica's usual de-stocking strategy with old models).

 

Back to the main thread, we don't know yet how Leica's new zoom will differ from other available L-Mount zooms. History tells us that there will be some value-added, even if it's additional QC and higher minimum performance standards. Some here have stated that they would never pay for that, and that's fine. The great thing about L-Mount is that you have so many high-quality lens options.

The lens could also be completely different for other 24-70 zooms, we'll find-out later in the week.

[nicci78]

Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-70mm f/2.8 aka Sigma DG DN will be launched May the 6th at 3pm CET at the whopping price of 2,600€ lens only. 
Kit available at 7,990€ with SL2 and 6,490€ with SL2-S. 

FYI Sigma version is only 1,199€  +117% premium 
 

source : dorsk081 at http://www.summilux.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=99482&sid=49f0c940b3e0b829029e023bdcd759d9&start=60

 

 

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[BernardC]

The source does not state if it is optically the same as a Sigma lens, or a Panasonic lens (why not a Tamron or Tokina?).

I know people will be upset by this breaking news, but Leica has sold some camera lenses made by other manufacturers for almost as long as they have sold interchangeable camera lenses.

[TeleElmar135mm]

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Removing the display from the M makes the M not cheaper

Now remouving the auto/manual AF switch makes the lens more expensive

I call this a traditon

 

Just cidding - I'm excited what tey have changed from Sigma/Pansonic or who ever contructed this lens

[nicci78]

1 hour ago, BernardC said:

The source does not state if it is optically the same as a Sigma lens, or a Panasonic lens (why not a Tamron or Tokina?).

It is a redesign of the Sigma lens. 
Same size, same counter clockwise zooming ring, same filter size. 
 

The counter clockwise zooming ring is particularly troublesome. Because real Leica SL zooms and Lumix S ones are going clockwise. 
 

[LocalHero1953]

It will be interesting to see if the Leica and Sigma versions have the same power consumption characteristics, or if that is part of Leica's 'added value'. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by LocalHero1953

[Andrew Gough]

IF it is the same optics as the Sigma, with Leica coatings, then it will fail in the marketplace. Why wouldn't you just buy the Sigma, or the Panasonic? The Panasonic is a "S series Approved by Leica" lens, and is better than the Sigma.

So we wait and we will see.

The Canon 28-70mm F/2.0 is a stroke of genius, and is an immensely useful lens. It effectively replaces primes from 28mm through 70mm as a Single lens. Does it match the SL Summicrons, of course not, but it's a whole lighter than carrying a 28mm, 35mm, 50mm, & 75mm set of primes, and it is still very good. I wish that they had made a 28-75mm F/2.0 Thinking like this, is what we need from Leica, not rebadging Sigma lenses.

[nicci78]

7 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

It will be interesting to see if the Leica and Sigma versions have the same power consumption characteristics, or if that is part of Leica's 'added value'. 

It might be the case :   
- specific coatings ? 
- custom control chip and custom firmware ? 
- better external build quality ?  
- higher quality control ? 
 

the answer in two days. 

[nicci78]

2,600€ (lens only) or 1,900€ (as part of a kit) for Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-70mm f/2,8 is not that bad compare to Lumix S Pro 24-70mm f/2.8 sold at 2,500€ (lens only) sadly not available as a kit. 

[cboy]

If it were a sigma rebrand with the same optics then why would consumers would opt for the leica version. But im thinking optically there would be some 'tweaking' as it would not be 'vario elmar' right?...whatever that means.

[jaapv]

16 minutes ago, cboy said:

If it were a sigma rebrand with the same optics then why would consumers would opt for the leica version. But im thinking optically there would be some 'tweaking' as it would not be 'vario elmar' right?...whatever that means.

It has been thus since Leica cooperated with third-party lens makers for certain lenses. Despite rumours that Leica picks the best examples from the series, it has never been substantiated. Yet customers did and do choose for the comfort of the red dot.

Now to be fair - the performance of a lens is part optics, part mechanics. If Leica has better tolerance management for the mechanical parts of the lens -as the barrel will be produced for Leica specifically (which alone will drive up the price due to a smaller number)-  that in itself will have a positive impact on the final image quality. Whether this incremental improvement justifies the price difference, the market will decide. Leica clearly thinks so.

[Simone_DF]

Sure, Leica rebadged products before, but this time it's a bit different, because you can get the same lens for the same mount.

Anyway, it's a lens that Leica had to do to create a cheaper kit for the SL2-S and drive sales up, it's understandable from a marketing point of view.

[panoreserve]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb nicci78:

It might be the case :   
- specific coatings ? 
- custom control chip and custom firmware ? 
- better external build quality ?  
- higher quality control ? 
 

the answer in two days. 

Specific coatings? Yes! / Custom control chip and custom firmware? Not sure... / Better external build quality? For sure! / Higher quality control? Yes! / Same optics as Sigma DG DN? Partially! (2 lens elements have been replaced.)

[BernardC]

1 hour ago, panoreserve said:

Specific coatings? Yes! / Custom control chip and custom firmware? Not sure... / Better external build quality? For sure! / Higher quality control? Yes! / Same optics as Sigma DG DN? Partially! (2 lens elements have been replaced.)

Makes sense if true. Replacing two elements means that the optics are redesigned, although the two designs may look similar in diagrams. Logically, this would mean using more exotic glass (some of which is not technically glass...), or more aspheric surfaces. People will still protest, but those things cost money.

 

So here's what we "know":

• The new lens is made by an L-Mount partner
• It features redesigned optics, compared to the equivalent-spec lens from said partner
• The interface will match other SL zooms (no buttons on the side)
• It won't be the cheapest lens on the market, but it also won't be the most expensive

Here's what we can deduce from the list above:

• It will have better optical performance than other 24-70 L-Mount lenses
• It will share some inner components with other lenses, like maybe diaphragm actuators, etc.

 

[BernardC]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

It has been thus since Leica cooperated with third-party lens makers for certain lenses. Despite rumours that Leica picks the best examples from the series, it has never been substantiated. Yet customers did and do choose for the comfort of the red dot.

Some journalists have stated that Leica's rejection rate for Minolta-sourced lenses was around 50%. That was over 30 years ago, I'm sure that the current partner(s) can do the rejection at their end, before lenses are shipped half-way around the planet.

[Michael Markey]

It seems to me that there is a need for greater transparency in order that the consumer can make proper decisions rather than this veil of misinformation and misunderstanding surrounding these items.

A friend recently bought a Panasonic lens under the misunderstanding that it was made by Leica for Panasonic because Leica was mentioned on the barrel.

I thought consumer protection legislation had put an end to this sort of obfuscation .

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[AZach]

9 minutes ago, BernardC said:

The interface will match other SL zooms

Not quite if zooming ring will turn counter-clockwise. Will not even consider this version as also quite happy with the current 24-90 SL.