willeica Posted May 12, 2021 Share #241 Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 53 minutes ago, pgk said: I don't think that a 'nature versus nurture' debate is relevant here. Nagel obviously appreciated his doctorate enough to use it. Some do, some don't. I have friends who have PhDs, some of whom use their title but most of whom do not. As much as anything an advanced degree shows someone's capability of conducting research and as such is valuable to those looking for someone t undertake research. Without the qualification it is very difficult to tell whether someone has a proven track record of undertaking research. In the past there were numerous examples of people who did well without such qualifications but we live in a very different world today. (FWIW the idea of doing a PhD has never appealead to me in any way whatsoever .....). We could have a long discussion on this Paul which could take us well away from the purpose of this thread. With education some people benefit from it, others not at all. As regards the world of work the ability to innovate, deliver and lead is often not directly related to educational achievement. Yes, a certain degree of literacy and knowledge is needed to progress ideas, concepts and projects, but the relationship with educational achievement is in my long experience not a direct one. The example of research which you mention is a narrower one and perhaps looking at research papers or theses might give an insight into that. When interviewing a person for a position I never dwelt for long on academic qualifications. They were usually dealt with at the beginning and taken as read. I was always more interested in the type of personality a person had and also whether they had a record of delivery, something Dr August Nagel clearly had. William Edited May 12, 2021 by willeica 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgk Posted May 12, 2021 Share #242 Posted May 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, willeica said: ......something Dr August Nagel clearly had. As did the Grubbs and many others. But it was a different time requiring very different approaches. Today we are looking at technologies which are not intrinsically intuitive or are so complex in that they require a breadth of detailed knowledge beyond most. An interesting current topic is the use of software to correct lens aberrations. In the early days lens design was a mix of empirical testing and intuition. This became displaced as we progressed and understood more of the concepts, theory and mathematics behind optics. We have no reached a point at which software corrections are increasingle being used in conjunction with optics. The degrees of understanding of the whole process are probably served by many highly qualified people - all specialists. Karbe now operates a team of people. Things move on. There is a whole, rich history of the way photographic equipment has evolved. I'm not sure that much has been written about the need for underlying technologies to progress first. With lenses there are marker dates such as when glass development lend to more glass types from Jena in the late 19th century. Cameras evolution was slower and some of us still use cameras which are only slightly diffrerent from those from the early days. Many others would be at least understandable by the early photographers. Until of course digital ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted May 12, 2021 Share #243 Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, pgk said: As did the Grubbs and many others. But it was a different time requiring very different approaches. Today we are looking at technologies which are not intrinsically intuitive or are so complex in that they require a breadth of detailed knowledge beyond most. An interesting current topic is the use of software to correct lens aberrations. In the early days lens design was a mix of empirical testing and intuition. This became displaced as we progressed and understood more of the concepts, theory and mathematics behind optics. We have no reached a point at which software corrections are increasingle being used in conjunction with optics. The degrees of understanding of the whole process are probably served by many highly qualified people - all specialists. Karbe now operates a team of people. Things move on. There is a whole, rich history of the way photographic equipment has evolved. I'm not sure that much has been written about the need for underlying technologies to progress first. With lenses there are marker dates such as when glass development lend to more glass types from Jena in the late 19th century. Cameras evolution was slower and some of us still use cameras which are only slightly diffrerent from those from the early days. Many others would be at least understandable by the early photographers. Until of course digital ..... I agree with all of the above. For technical roles, particularly in the field of design, knowledge is essential. You start by mentioning Thomas Grubb who not only designed great lenses and made magnificent astronomical instruments, but also designed a method of preventing fraud with banknotes in his day job as Chief Engineer of the Bank of Ireland. However, he had no third level education whatsoever. That, of course, was in the early to mid 19th century and things have changed today. My point still holds good. When choosing people to lead and succeed there are other qualities that must be looked at besides educational achievement. You can call it horses for courses if you wish. William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted May 12, 2021 Share #244 Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, pgk said: Nagel obviously appreciated his doctorate enough to use it. Nagel did not have a diploma for a PhD or any other degree. It was an honorary degree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted May 12, 2021 Share #245 Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, zeitz said: Nagel did not have a diploma for a PhD or any other degree. It was an honorary degree. But as he did so, he was probably entitled to use it. An honorary degree is still a degree although the normal requirements for obtaining it have been waived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted May 12, 2021 Share #246 Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, zeitz said: Nagel did not have a diploma for a PhD or any other degree. It was an honorary degree. I don't care if he called himself Herr Dr, Colonel or whatever else or if his qualification fell of the back of a truck instead of coming from the University of Freiburg for his work on balloon and aviator cameras. His achievements in the field of cameras and photography were many and we do owe him for that 35mm cartridge if for nothing else. Details here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Nagel . How many of us, even those with PhDs, would be able to boast of such achievements in our lifetime? William Edited May 12, 2021 by willeica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted May 13, 2021 Share #247 Posted May 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Kodak Bantam Special with Art Deco styling by Walter Dorwin Teague. Possibly one of the most beautiful cameras ever made. This one has the more rare Supermatic shutter introduced after the beginning of WWII as Compur shutters were no longer available. The aperture in this seems to be five sided, but I'd be interested in hearing about that from others who may have this shutter. The lens is the Kodak Ektar 45mm f2. It takes obsolete 828 film, but I'm sure that some genius somewhere has figured out a way of using modern film in it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It is a pity that the paths of Leica and Walter Dorwin Teague did not cross. His many creations for Kodak are truly delightful. Perhaps for the next Leica Special Edition? But that would be re-creation wouldn't it? William 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It is a pity that the paths of Leica and Walter Dorwin Teague did not cross. His many creations for Kodak are truly delightful. Perhaps for the next Leica Special Edition? But that would be re-creation wouldn't it? William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4199936'>More sharing options...
sandro Posted May 13, 2021 Share #248 Posted May 13, 2021 William, indeed a beautiful camera! A completely different design strategy than we've become used to from later decades, but this is a real design product, of the level of the art deco camera's, Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex, shown elsewhere by Mazdaro. Lex 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted May 13, 2021 Share #249 Posted May 13, 2021 21 hours ago, willeica said: How many of us, even those with PhDs, would be able to boast of such achievements in our lifetime? Enzo Ferrari is a better example. Trained as an opera singer. Today we call them entrepreneurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted May 13, 2021 Share #250 Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, sandro said: William, indeed a beautiful camera! A completely different design strategy than we've become used to from later decades, but this is a real design product, of the level of the art deco camera's, Zeiss Ikon Ikoflex, shown elsewhere by Mazdaro. Lex Thanks Lex. I have just found out that 828 film is still available. The trick would be to get it onto a 35mm spool for processing once the paper backing has been removed. Will be in touch with you directly soon about LHSA business. I hope that you might be able to come to Dublin next year if the AGM takes place here. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted May 16, 2021 Share #251 Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/8/2021 at 12:17 PM, Pyrogallol said: Wrong forum, but it’s wet and windy outside so I set up the old Graphic View 5x4 that I have inherited. When I got it it was dirty and dusty, I ended up washing it in a bucket of soapy water (not recommended for Leicas). The 135mm Xenar was no better and it got a good soak in WD40 (also frowned upon, but it got the shutter working) and the front of the lens looked as if it had paint on it, which cleaned up with thinners ! Works fine now, two sheets of FP4 washing. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Results from the Graphic View, copies of prints on Ilford A300 art paper. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted May 17, 2021 Share #252 Posted May 17, 2021 Hello to all, I just won this Voigtlander lens with the inscription Tetra Skopar 1,8/ 85 mm at auction. I put in a small bid without thinking I was going to win it, I just thought it was original and intrigued me. No one bid on it and I ended up with this very strange unknown lens...But it could be a caviar or not. I couldn't find anything, even on Collectiblend...only evocation on a site (Novacon) that talks about this "ultra rare" lens. Jo Geier, told me that it could be a portrait lens, but doesn't seem to be interested in putting it in his next sale! lost to me! There is surely among us a specialist of Voigtlander lenses and who knows this Tetra Skopar! I thank him for giving us some information. Philippe Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4202556'>More sharing options...
romanus53 Posted May 17, 2021 Share #253 Posted May 17, 2021 If you ask Google you'll find some info pointing to German company Müllersohn, so maybe it was used to take photos for passports - or you aks Müllesohn in Bad Salzuflen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 17, 2021 Share #254 Posted May 17, 2021 I think it was an early version of the polyphoto, which took 4 photos on one plate. There would have been a separately triggered shutter for each lens, so that the sitter could alter pose or they could all be triggered at the same time for documentation like passports as Romanus says above. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 19, 2021 Share #255 Posted May 19, 2021 Super Ikonta (aka "Mess Ikonta" - last of the breed) : my dad bought it when I was born (1956... have plenty of 6x9 bw negs & prints of me taken with... 😉) : a bit simplified in respect to the previous models (RF uncoupled) , but a compact robust camera which I used time to time till 2000 around : 6x9 foldings are cameras I like... and even bought , years ago, a Bessa II which then sold - of course regretting in due time... 😒 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4203620'>More sharing options...
zeitz Posted May 19, 2021 Share #256 Posted May 19, 2021 1 hour ago, luigi bertolotti said: then sold - of course regretting in due time I have seller's remorse far more often than buyer's remorse. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_schertel Posted May 19, 2021 Share #257 Posted May 19, 2021 Flash synchronizer: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (pictures taken with M240, Visoflex III and Ekmar 65 mm) yours sincerely Thomas 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (pictures taken with M240, Visoflex III and Ekmar 65 mm) yours sincerely Thomas ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4203755'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 19, 2021 Share #258 Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, thomas_schertel said: Flash synchronizer: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (pictures taken with M240, Visoflex III and Ekmar 65 mm) yours sincerely Thomas Voigtlander... Heliar 10,5... : it's a 6x9 folding but not named Bessa, I'd say... 😉 Edited May 19, 2021 by luigi bertolotti 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 19, 2021 Share #259 Posted May 19, 2021 These 6 x9 and 9 x 12 folding cameras were made by a whole host of German and Austrian camera makers. I have a very similar looking Edixa Wirgin for 9 x 12 plates and I also have a Rollex 6 x 9 film back for 620 film for it (probably later than the camera). It has a Meyer Trioplan 105mm/f2,8 lens and a Deckel shuttter. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_schertel Posted May 19, 2021 Share #260 Posted May 19, 2021 vor einer Stunde schrieb luigi bertolotti: Voigtlander... Heliar 10,5... : it's a 6x9 folding but not named Bessa, I'd say... 😉 Luigi, No, it is a Bergheil. Yours sincerely Thomas 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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