pgk Posted April 9, 2021 Share #101 Posted April 9, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 27 minutes ago, thomas_schertel said: Scotsmen may remark the dealer's label. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lizars had a branch at this address from 1912 until after 1942. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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willeica Posted April 9, 2021 Share #102 Posted April 9, 2021 Between Ireland and Scotland we have Northern Ireland which is where the two cameras side by side in the middle of this photo were made. They are two Corfield Periflex Gold Star cameras which were made in Ballymoney County Antrim in the early 1960s. The camera in the front is an earlier Periflex made in England. Both models used a periscope for focussing, vertical on the earlier cameras and horizontal on the later models such as Gold Star. The broad story of Corfield in Northern Ireland follows the photo. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! In the late 1950s Sir Kenneth Corfield moved his production facility from England to Northern Ireland with the assistance of funding from the Northern Ireland Government. Not being able to persuade a sufficient number of staff to transfer to Northern Ireland, the firm advertised locally for 'machinists' but instead of lathe operators the majority of the applicants were women working in the garments industry. The women proved to be very good at making cameras, apart from one incident where mysterious lines appeared on films shot on Corfield cameras. These were traced back to the diamond engagement ring of the worker installing the glass pressure plates on the cameras. The woman was asked to remove her ring at work, but the factory soon switched to metal pressure plates. One of my Gold Stars has a glass pressure plate and the other one has a metal plate. The company struggled to make a profit and Guinness, the drinks manufacturer, was brought in as shareholder, eventually becoming a majority shareholder. While Sir Kenneth was on a trip to camera fairs in Germany, Guinness called a quick board meeting and closed the camera manufacturing. It is rumoured that the real motive was to use the factory for the manufacture of beer barrels. A photograph of the factory can be seen above on the back of the camera manual. William 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! In the late 1950s Sir Kenneth Corfield moved his production facility from England to Northern Ireland with the assistance of funding from the Northern Ireland Government. Not being able to persuade a sufficient number of staff to transfer to Northern Ireland, the firm advertised locally for 'machinists' but instead of lathe operators the majority of the applicants were women working in the garments industry. The women proved to be very good at making cameras, apart from one incident where mysterious lines appeared on films shot on Corfield cameras. These were traced back to the diamond engagement ring of the worker installing the glass pressure plates on the cameras. The woman was asked to remove her ring at work, but the factory soon switched to metal pressure plates. One of my Gold Stars has a glass pressure plate and the other one has a metal plate. The company struggled to make a profit and Guinness, the drinks manufacturer, was brought in as shareholder, eventually becoming a majority shareholder. While Sir Kenneth was on a trip to camera fairs in Germany, Guinness called a quick board meeting and closed the camera manufacturing. It is rumoured that the real motive was to use the factory for the manufacture of beer barrels. A photograph of the factory can be seen above on the back of the camera manual. William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178123'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 10, 2021 Share #103 Posted April 10, 2021 And back to Scotland. As William is aware I have just picked up a lens which says "Made in Scotland" which part of it is. Not the lens head though, which originates from the National Optical Company, Leicester in England. This is a 105mm f/3.5 Trinol (Triplet, National Optical Leicester?) and NOC were essentially a 'subsiduary' of Taylor Hobson (of Leitz Xenon fame) during WWII when optical equipment was in high demand. The lens is good enough but nothing more and vignettes slightly. The head unscrews so could be used on a visoflex type system with appropriate adapter. It is uncoated (later versions were coated) and was apparently aimed at Leica owners. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178446'>More sharing options...
romanus53 Posted April 10, 2021 Share #104 Posted April 10, 2021 periflex in black Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! a look to the periscope 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! a look to the periscope ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178458'>More sharing options...
Ambro51 Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share #105 Posted April 10, 2021 Cameras reflect an era, styles can be a bit odd, yet appealing. Colors come into play, the beauty and versatility of injection molded plastic. The Herbert George Company produced a Lot of different low priced cameras, many were 620 format using a curved film plane and plastic lens. Don’t count them out as a user today, the camera produces “old snapshots”. BTW it is a “chick magnet”.The Imperial Mark XII Flash Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178567'>More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted April 10, 2021 Share #106 Posted April 10, 2021 My Trinol Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178570'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 10, 2021 Share #107 Posted April 10, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 minutes ago, Pyrogallol said: My Trinol Thanks. I think mine may be from early production. I assume that yours has noNOC engraving? Is it coated? Does it have the patent engraving. NOC lenses are not well documented as far as I can tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambro51 Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share #108 Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Having a decade long gig as a traveling Wet Plate photographer, during the peak of the Civil War re-enactment hobby was a Lot of fun, and quite profitable. This is my “Main Battle Camera” and I’d estimate made at least 8,000 tintypes and Ambrotype. This was the second camera I built, probably about 1995. The lens is a “New York Lens” , of the Petzval formula, made by Holmes Booth and Hayden’s #4822, a pre-Civil War Daguerreotype half plate radial Drive lens. This Camera Never Let Me Down! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 10, 2021 by Ambro51 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178586'>More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted April 10, 2021 Share #109 Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, pgk said: Thanks. I think mine may be from early production. I assume that yours has noNOC engraving? Is it coated? Does it have the patent engraving. NOC lenses are not well documented as far as I can tell. Mine has NOC etc engravings and a patent number, different to yours, under the black paint so a bit difficult to photograph. It is coated and where yours has FV on the front edge mine has FN, aligned the other way round. It has a two part filter ring stuck on the front so looks a bit different to yours. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178620'>More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted April 10, 2021 Share #110 Posted April 10, 2021 I hadn’t seen until I took this picture that the FN is also on the chrome ring as well as the black. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4178621'>More sharing options...
Bobitybob Posted April 10, 2021 Share #111 Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, willeica said: The camera in the front is an earlier Periflex made in England And specifically in Wolverhampton, an interesting site for those interested in more info https://corfield.org/camera/corfield.htm. Edited April 10, 2021 by Bobitybob 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted April 10, 2021 Share #112 Posted April 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bobitybob said: And specifically in Wolverhampton, an interesting site for those interested in more info https://corfield.org/camera/corfield.htm. That book on Corfield by John E Lewis has a lot of stories which are too long to tell here. It is out of print, I think. The one in the photo above was borrowed from a fellow collector who had been given a copy by Mr Lewis. . William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 10, 2021 Share #113 Posted April 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Pyrogallol said: Mine has NOC etc engravings and a patent number, different to yours, under the black paint so a bit difficult to photograph. It is coated and where yours has FV on the front edge mine has FN, aligned the other way round. It has a two part filter ring stuck on the front so looks a bit different to yours. Thanks. Yours was obviously a later production copy. It doesn't look like a huge number were ever made. When looking on the web I have noticed variations in design and paintwork/plating/polishing as though they were batch, built and potentially is smallish batches. I have no idea what the FV/FN means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45govt Posted April 11, 2021 Share #114 Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ambro51 said: Having a decade long gig as a traveling Wet Plate photographer, during the peak of the Civil War re-enactment hobby was a Lot of fun, and quite profitable. This is my “Main Battle Camera” and I’d estimate made at least 8,000 tintypes and Ambrotype. This was the second camera I built, probably about 1995. The lens is a “New York Lens” , of the Petzval formula, made by Holmes Booth and Hayden’s #4822, a pre-Civil War Daguerreotype half plate radial Drive lens. This Camera Never Let Me Down! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Hello Ambro51 Beautiful camera, love the dovetails. that portrait is beautiful also. Don Edited April 11, 2021 by 45govt 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted April 11, 2021 Share #115 Posted April 11, 2021 On 4/10/2021 at 1:27 PM, pgk said: And back to Scotland. As William is aware I have just picked up a lens which says "Made in Scotland" which part of it is. Not the lens head though, which originates from the National Optical Company, Leicester in England. This is a 105mm f/3.5 Trinol (Triplet, National Optical Leicester?) and NOC were essentially a 'subsiduary' of Taylor Hobson (of Leitz Xenon fame) during WWII when optical equipment was in high demand. The lens is good enough but nothing more and vignettes slightly. The head unscrews so could be used on a visoflex type system with appropriate adapter. It is uncoated (later versions were coated) and was apparently aimed at Leica owners. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Details are here. The Lens Vade Mecum may be the source. "This firm (NOC) was a daughter factory for TTH of Leicester during the WW2 when there was a need to split production capacity as a precaution against destruction. Trinol f3.5 105mm This was a triplet (TRIplet National Optical Ltd) carrying TTH patent detailswhich was sold to Stewartry of Glasgow to mount for cameras such as M39x26 and Exakta. It may well have been originally a wartime lens design, possible for a 6x6cm dial recording camera, and is of good but not outstanding performance. Early versions at Nos 034,94x, 035,04x, 35,05x, 035,32x, 035,62x are not coated, later ones have a hard coating at Nos 035,49x and 035,78x- note that there is overlap, possible due to parts being in hand when coating started. [It was definitely aimed at Leica sales as the Reid was only demonstrated in 1947, and no bodies sold for some time by when Trinol sales were a thing of the past.] Lenses for Exaktatend to be late in production, which seems to have stopped rather suddenly. Lensheads carry Pat. No. Brit. 566,698 and Canadian 435,629/1946. Some lensheads were later sold separately about 1956, and No036,50x was noted on a Novoflex bellows for Wrayflex. One problem is that these serial numbers do not seem to fit with either the prewar uncoated or the postwar coated cine lenses- ie a separate series was used. (see the f2 below and the f3.5/50mm cine.)TTH-Taylor, Taylor and Hobson, Ltd., Leicester, England. https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/details-of-trinol-lens.143685/" William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted April 11, 2021 Share #116 Posted April 11, 2021 And more from my non-Leica archives ; I start with the British Leica copies made by the Britsh firm Reid and Sigrist, Leicester. I had two : a Reid Standard serialled P2115 with the Taylor-Hobson 2 inches f2 lens nº 329308, and a Reid IIIa serial P3129 with the same lens nº 329310. Both bodies are copies of the Leica Standard and the IIIa, with a synchro contact for flash in the front. Both are also engraved on the back body covering with the RAF "arrow" and 0553/880 for the Standard and WF/0269 for the IIIa. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Then comes the Mentor, an early reflex camera (the one I had lacked the lens) made by Goltz & Breutmann firm in Dresden. It came in a leather case with negative chassis, and I have unfortunately no more information. Here are at least the illustrations, and maybe one member can offer more details. 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Then comes the Mentor, an early reflex camera (the one I had lacked the lens) made by Goltz & Breutmann firm in Dresden. It came in a leather case with negative chassis, and I have unfortunately no more information. Here are at least the illustrations, and maybe one member can offer more details. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4179248'>More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted April 11, 2021 Share #117 Posted April 11, 2021 My Reid 1. One of the first dozen made, not military. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4179261'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted April 11, 2021 Share #118 Posted April 11, 2021 RAF Reid I with Taylor Hobson 2 inch f 2 lens Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Reid IIIa with Taylor Hobson 2inch f2 lens William 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Reid IIIa with Taylor Hobson 2inch f2 lens William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4179328'>More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted April 12, 2021 Share #119 Posted April 12, 2021 Hello Pierre, I also have a Mentor in my collection, but it is tropicalized...The lens is a Zeiss tessar 18 cm / 4,5 with a speed of 1/1300 e which for 1910 was not bad...It is a very beautiful camera meant the leather with teak ! Philippe Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318752-nicht-immer-nur-kaviar-english-version/?do=findComment&comment=4179557'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted April 12, 2021 Share #120 Posted April 12, 2021 3 hours ago, PG Black nickel said: Hello Pierre, I also have a Mentor in my collection, but it is tropicalized...The lens is a Zeiss tessar 18 cm / 4,5 with a speed of 1/1300 e which for 1910 was not bad...It is a very beautiful camera meant the leather with teak ! Philippe Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lovely camera, Philippe. My Contessa shown at post 6 above has an 18cm f 4.5 Zeiss Anastigmat which may be related to the lens in your camera. I will try to post a better photo of the lens for the purpose of comparison. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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