Jeff S Posted March 30, 2021 Share #741 Posted March 30, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 minutes ago, setuporg said: X1Dii with a 30mm is very small and excellent. 907x + that is the smallest MF you could have. XCD 45P is even smaller and lighter. Jeff 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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setuporg Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share #742 Posted March 30, 2021 1 minute ago, aksclix said: top mount OVF for 907x isn’t compatible with all xcd lenses Yes of course but it supports a surprisingly reasonable walkaround set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share #743 Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jeff S said: XCD 45P is even smaller and lighter. I've not yet felt I need the P version as I got the original 45/3.5 with the 4116 kit... But yes a 907x+45P is killer small. Edited March 30, 2021 by setuporg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 30, 2021 Share #744 Posted March 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, aksclix said: I thought the top mount OVF for 907x isn’t compatible with all xcd lenses? Frame lines for 21, 30 and 45mm. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 30, 2021 Share #745 Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, setuporg said: I've not yet felt I need the P version as I got the original 45/3.5 with the 4116 kit... But yes a 907x+45P is killer small. I don’t own the system, but there are many positive 45-P reviews, particularly its mechanical rather than focus by wire action, as well as the quietest shutter of the XCD line, evoking an M-like experience when manual focusing on an X1Dii. Jeff Edited March 30, 2021 by Jeff S 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted March 30, 2021 Share #746 Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, setuporg said: I'm not convinced XCD owners should now drop all those excellent systems and run after the Fuji. Just the opposite my friend. I’m buying more lenses to my 907X and may even ditch the SL2 body and some L lenses to buy more of the XCD. Ha!! Don’t need GFX. Life’s beautiful like the 907X itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted March 30, 2021 Share #747 Posted March 30, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, aksclix said: thought the top mount OVF for 907x isn’t compatible with all xcd lenses? 21, 30, 45 lenses (17, 24, 35mm equivalents) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted March 30, 2021 Share #748 Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, setuporg said: I've not yet felt I need the P version as I got the original 45/3.5 with the 4116 kit... But yes a 907x+45P is killer small. It’s a street shooting combo !! A killer one ... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted March 30, 2021 Share #749 Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeff S said: XCD 45P is even smaller and lighter. Jeff It is actually nothing short of amazing as a package. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted March 30, 2021 Share #750 Posted March 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, Jeff S said: I don’t own the system, but there are many positive 45-P reviews, particularly its mechanical rather than focus by wire action, as well as the quietest shutter of the XCD line, evoking an M-like experience when manual focusing on an X1Dii. Jeff Confirmed. And if you do not want to use the OVF today, the WLF is a flip away. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Succisa75 Posted March 30, 2021 Share #751 Posted March 30, 2021 6 hours ago, ZHNL said: I am not happy with adapting M glasses on 100S. 50lux seems the best with offering decent coverage but almost all M glasses show some weird distortion around corner. R glasses are much better. But your post remind me why not? Yes, this is a very good suggestion. I never thought about it: 61M FF sensor with M glasses. HAHA:) Yes I add lens correction in LR if needed. But once you set it to 35mm you will alleviate some of that distortion. MF when you need it and FF when you have M glass. Win Win! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuc Posted March 30, 2021 Share #752 Posted March 30, 2021 7 hours ago, ZHNL said: I am not happy with adapting M glasses on 100S. 50lux seems the best with offering decent coverage but almost all M glasses show some weird distortion around corner. R glasses are much better. But your post remind me why not? Yes, this is a very good suggestion. I never thought about it: 61M FF sensor with M glasses. HAHA:) The Leica M 75f2 works very well. It covers the 4433 sensor with just little corner vignette. Great focal length on GFX, very nice look of the images. So tiny compared to other fast lenses. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted March 30, 2021 Share #753 Posted March 30, 2021 10 hours ago, Jeff S said: I don’t own the system, but there are many positive 45-P reviews, particularly its mechanical rather than focus by wire action, as well as the quietest shutter of the XCD line, evoking an M-like experience when manual focusing on an X1Dii. Jeff Works perfectly on the first X1D iteration, as well. Manual focus is simple and fast - the automatic zoom when focussing is superbly implemented, too. An extra benefit is battery-life seems to be massively extended when using the 45P, as no power needs to be drained when manually-focussing the lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 30, 2021 Share #754 Posted March 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, plasticman said: Works perfectly on the first X1D iteration, as well. Manual focus is simple and fast - the automatic zoom when focussing is superbly implemented, too. An extra benefit is battery-life seems to be massively extended when using the 45P, as no power needs to be drained when manually-focussing the lens. The system would likely be a lot more attractive to those doing handheld/street type work if this were the trend for other XCD lenses... manual focus, quiet and compact. Getting closer to M territory. Jeff 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted March 30, 2021 Share #755 Posted March 30, 2021 15 hours ago, Succisa75 said: I notice not many talk about adapting M lenses to the 100s. Set the camera to 35mm mode and you don't get any vignetting and you have a 61 MP image that is beautiful. This also reduces the weight of the 100S and one may argue the manual focus assist options are better in the GFX than Leica's own system. I haven't tried the Fuji, but it seems that the SL2's M-compatible sensor would provide better results. You lose a small percentage of pixels (too little to make a visible difference, in my opinion), but you also won't get that awful discoloration and blur in the corners that non-optimized sensors deliver. I've given-up on using M lenses on non-Leica cameras, they only work if you want corner blur (a traditional look for portraiture), or with some retrofocus M lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share #756 Posted March 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Jeff S said: The system would likely be a lot more attractive to those doing handheld/street type work if this were the trend for other XCD lenses... manual focus, quiet and compact. Getting closer to M territory. Given we only have a couple compact lenses in each MF lineup, this seems to be an elusive and most likely unattainable goal, going against the optical constraints... But with even one or two lenses for each systems we get an amazing machine. X1D/907x+45P, S+70, GFX+50. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 30, 2021 Share #757 Posted March 30, 2021 I meant a trend toward smaller (even at the expense of speed, which was the goal for the 80 mm), quiet like the 45-P (each new XCD release seems quieter), and with mechanical focus rather than focus by wire. (Aperture rings would be great, too, but that won’t happen given modern, elegant design parameters.) Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted March 31, 2021 Share #758 Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) I own 3 Leica bodies (M4-P, M10, and CL), but almost exclusively now shoot film with a Mamiya 7 and the Leica. I bought a used GFX R to scan the MF negatives. But I weakened and just bought a used 50mm GF lens. It's considered to have the relatively weakest optics in the line, but it is super small and cheap. I've only used it once; seems nice; very quick autofocusing and great aperture ring, too. I might prefer the photos I've taken with an M 50 Lux ASPH, despite minor vignetting in the RAW 4:3 aspect, but haven't really tested that thoroughly. The 50 Lux photos are astonishingly sharp. Honestly, you could almost go birding with it. The camera's form factor is fantastic. I can walk with it all day, something I couldn't do with--and why I never bought--an SL2. The UI is Fuji, but this is my 2nd time around with it, and I'm feeling pretty confident. It will never remind me of a Leica that way, but the camera is extremely solid, works terrifically well, and is so much cheaper. I'm already thinking about the 100S. I am really getting to resent the way America Leica markets their products as a lifestyle choice, but I shouldn't let that influence my decision (though I suppose it does). Edited March 31, 2021 by bags27 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share #759 Posted March 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Jeff S said: I meant a trend toward smaller (even at the expense of speed, which was the goal for the 80 mm), quiet like the 45-P (each new XCD release seems quieter) The original 45 and 30 are quite small. And the 90 is reasonably small, comparable to M teles even. They are all quieter than the original 45 which makes a startling sound... I very much enjoy the 30 as a walkaround lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted March 31, 2021 Share #760 Posted March 31, 2021 4 hours ago, setuporg said: The original 45 and 30 are quite small. And the 90 is reasonably small, comparable to M teles even. They are all quieter than the original 45 which makes a startling sound... I very much enjoy the 30 as a walkaround lens. I agree. The 45P is right up there in corner-to-corner sharpness with my Mamiya 6 lenses (and I never thought that would be possible), and some of the other pretty small, and relatively fast (ƒ2,8) lenses like the 65 are coming up reasonably priced secondhand. There was one locally for the equivalent of around 1500 euros just last week that I was itching to grab (but I just felt I ought to stick with the 45P and some Leica-mount lenses before spending even more money the next few months). The lens was gone pretty quick. What a great walk-around kit the X1D is. And using lenses manually makes it really fast - just like using a Leica for me, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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