GFX100S vs SL2/X1D

[aksclix]

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47 minutes ago, Mr.Q said:

After selling both my X1D2 and SL2, I've now been shooting with the GFX100S for 2 weeks. AF/IBIS works as advertised and I'm very happy that I switched for that reason alone.  I agree that the body feels plasticky.  Love the top LCD and 3-way tilting LCD, but those 2 things do not offset how good the X1D/SL2 feel in hand.  Even the lenses feel cheap and hollow compared to the bricks from Hassy and Leica.  Files are gorgeous and IQ is beyond what I can achieve with any FF camera,  but I prefer the colors from the X1D.  I think the 50MP sensor handled shadow noise better in higher ISO's as well.  So I guess the ideal camera (specifically for IQ) would be a X2D with a 50-75MP BSI sensor and GFX guts (IBIS, AF-C, and 3-way tilt screen) but I doubt anything even remotely close would ever be released so I'll make do with the GFX.  I honestly don't miss the SL2, maybe because I prefer shooting my M lenses on my M bodies, and for anything that requires AF I prefer my Sony's.

am so jealous right now..
I ordered within 10 minutes after they listed it on their site at B&H.. hope they ship mine as close to the 11th as possible! 

GFX system isn't the prettiest to look at.. Hasselblad wins that hands down! I've also liked the Leica colors better than the GFX'.. but, it's the amazing amazing sharpness it retains upon heavy cropping that impresses me.. do you have the GF 250mm? if you do, let me know how the balance is with the 100s..  

 

 

[Succisa75]

1 hour ago, Mr.Q said:

After selling both my X1D2 and SL2, I've now been shooting with the GFX100S for 2 weeks. AF/IBIS works as advertised and I'm very happy that I switched for that reason alone.  I agree that the body feels plasticky.  Love the top LCD and 3-way tilting LCD, but those 2 things do not offset how good the X1D/SL2 feel in hand.  Even the lenses feel cheap and hollow compared to the bricks from Hassy and Leica.  Files are gorgeous and IQ is beyond what I can achieve with any FF camera,  but I prefer the colors from the X1D.  I think the 50MP sensor handled shadow noise better in higher ISO's as well.  So I guess the ideal camera (specifically for IQ) would be a X2D with a 50-75MP BSI sensor and GFX guts (IBIS, AF-C, and 3-way tilt screen) but I doubt anything even remotely close would ever be released so I'll make do with the GFX.  I honestly don't miss the SL2, maybe because I prefer shooting my M lenses on my M bodies, and for anything that requires AF I prefer my Sony's.

I also like the colours from Hassy better than Fujifilm except reds. The X1D can’t handle reds well at all. They bloom at times and tonality is lost. 
 

the 100s is a magnesium alloy frame so it’s not really plastic except for the buttons and doors. 
granted it doesn’t feel as nice in the hand as the SL2 and X1D, but doesn’t get hot like the X1D as well. Trade offs. 
 

For me the IQ wins and the lenses while maybe don’t feel as premium on the outside has fantastic glass inside. 
 

[aksclix]

2 hours ago, Succisa75 said:

I also like the colours from Hassy better than Fujifilm except reds. The X1D can’t handle reds well at all. They bloom at times and tonality is lost. 
 

the 100s is a magnesium alloy frame so it’s not really plastic except for the buttons and doors. 
granted it doesn’t feel as nice in the hand as the SL2 and X1D, but doesn’t get hot like the X1D as well. Trade offs. 
 

For me the IQ wins and the lenses while maybe don’t feel as premium on the outside has fantastic glass inside. 
 

GFX 100s is no doubt a winner! It's got the best GFX body look so far.. the lenses are all fantastic.. IQ is unbeatable too..  

[Lichozaur]

I have a question to all GFX100s - apart from the huge resolution, can you get a similar 3D pop as with Leica glass? I know MF has shallower depth of field, which definitely contributes to that effect, but is the falloff and microcontrast on the same level as Leica?

I swapped all of my Sony gear for Leica Q2 recently and i absolutely love the IQ, and now I'm considering getting another body with a longer lens. SL2/SL2-s are obvious candidates, but the recent release of Fuji compact MF has stirred my thoughts.

[Succisa75]

4 minutes ago, Lichozaur said:

I have a question to all GFX100s - apart from the huge resolution, can you get a similar 3D pop as with Leica glass? I know MF has shallower depth of field, which definitely contributes to that effect, but is the falloff and microcontrast on the same level as Leica?

I swapped all of my Sony gear for Leica Q2 recently and i absolutely love the IQ, and now I'm considering getting another body with a longer lens. SL2/SL2-s are obvious candidates, but the recent release of Fuji compact MF has stirred my thoughts.

Yes you can. The fall off and micro contrast is as good or even better. 
 

some of the standout lenses are the 45-100, 110 and 80 1.7

[tom0511]

Mr.Q - thanks for posting this experience.

As a GAS-type of person there are 2 things you write which so far keep me away from switching to Fuji:

I havent handeled the new gfx100s but both the 50s and 50r and some of the lenses for about 1 week and while it felt fine in hand, I also found it not to feel as solid and nice as a Leica or Hassy x1d. And for me it is also an important factor, that I enjoy picking up a camera and using it. This is also one of the reasons I really still love the M system for certain things. The simplicity of the UI and menues, the OVF seeing the real light, the sound of the shutter, the feel when you focus those small lenses, and of course the IQ. For M-shooters the SL2 vs gfx100s has 2 advantages: 1) you can use the M lenses on either camera, for example wide angel lenses, where you dont need the AF, and then just add some zooms or a portrait AF prime. 2) you have comparable menue-logic in both cameras. This makes it simple and enjoyable.

The second thing, I can explain why, but I also feel there is some color pop in images from Leica or the x1d(II) which I like. Maybe the Fuji is more neutral, and I bet scientificly the Fuji is just as good or even better, but thats my taste when I look at images in the internet and also when I tested the 50MP Fujis.

Having said all this, if you want best value for money, I bet the gfx100s is probably (one of) the most exciting cameras today. I am impressed how they can make it this size, with ibis, phase AF, 100MP etc., and also for what price they can do it.

 

 

 

 

[plasticman]

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On 3/9/2021 at 11:05 AM, Alistairm said:

X1D 4116 – I was using the M10 extensively for travel photography and the X1D effectively replaced it for most of that.  I enjoyed having autofocus (which is slow but accurate) and absolutely love the image quality this system produces. The handling and menu system are superb. It is excruciatingly slow, the EVF is awful, the rubber smells, the weather sealing is ineffective compared to the SL system (I had mine fog up and fail after use in medium rain… it took 2 days to come good) and despite the gorgeous feel in hand, there are parts that feel delicate (eg SD card door) and my personal experience with weather sealing is not encouraging. 

 

The lenses have released slowly, but I didn’t mind given they are expensive, and they’re all at least excellent, including the zoom (which has gorgeous handling and build quality). Obviously it is a leaf shutter system with all that entails (easier to hand hold slow speeds, better for flash etc). 

 

But it just feels like a system that’s completely hinged off a stonkingly good sensor in its first generation and that is desperate for an updated body. The X1D (even accounting for the mkII) is just excruciatingly slow, to the extent that it is impracticable for much photography. The EVF sucks. There is no IBIS. Oh my the sensor though… huge dynamic range, good ISO response and seemingly limitless malleability in post. But the least versatile camera of those I own my a very large margin. 

 

And the lack of system progress troubles me deeply. The lenses are great, the dual battery charger is a jewel and so on… but without a body to do them justice the system is dead. Hasselblad needs to sort this out lickity split. 

 

This is exactly right. I just recently bought the exact same model, and it truly is a lovely camera to carry around. The lens I bought for it (the 45P) is both compact and simply amazingly sharp and free of aberrations or distortion (the lens correction in Phocus handles the vignetting and minor amount of pincushion without problems, and switching off corrections hardly has any effect).

It's a really lovely system and deserves to continue flourishing. But I think Fuji is going to wipe the board with their faster development pace, and neither Hasselblad nor Leica will be able to compete in this segment in the long-term.

PS: as an aside, I'm still at that initial stage of ownership, where I open an image from this camera and simply sit in sheer wonderment at the detail and dimensionality of what can be seen. Seriously - I don't even know if this is photography or just some sort of image-nerdiness. But the detail and the simply incredible dynamic range in the images is still astounding to me.

Edited March 10, 2021 by plasticman

[tom0511]

@ Alistairm. the evf of the x1dii is very good and improved over the x1d.

I think Fuji is (much) ahead in making a camera fast and included new features and update this every 1/2 year. Hassy and Leica are ahead in simplicity of menue and ergonomics. I believe the simple UI, the solid feel in the hand, and the small size are priorities of the x1d/x1dii-system. I believe they also want to make it beautiful and functional at the same time. I guess for Fuji the functionality and including as many functions were probably more important than make the camera (and lenses) look and feel beautiful. In the end I do like, that different brands have different approaches, would be boring if they all had the same / similar products.

[Jon Warwick]

5 hours ago, Succisa75 said:

Yes you can. The fall off and micro contrast is as good or even better. 
 

 

Yes, personally I also think these aspects of the GFX100S are as good or even better.

That aside, now that Capture One has RAW support for the GFX100S, I've been able to compare a similar scene taken with the SL2 + SL 50 APO (in "high resolution mode" that opens up to 56" wide at 300dpi) vs a GFX100S + GF 63mm (at a similar image size).

The SL2's "high resolution mode" does a very good job at trying to keep up in terms of fine detail capture, but for me the 100mp medium format sensor in the GFX100S has the edge here, but perhaps more importantly has other advantages for me.... 

- the GFX100S is a single-shot capture at 100mp, ie, unlike the SL2, which has to merge together 8 shots in its high resolution mode. Even though the SL2 does this well, and has a mode to "freeze" some subject movement during capture, I would find the resultant SL2 pixel shifted image didn't always come out 100% perfectly, and could catalyze some digital oddities if any movement existed ...especially things like moving leaves and branches; and files could sometimes sharpen with hints of a serrated edge if anything was not quite right at capture. Now, with a steady hand and IBIS, you can get an incredible resolution from a single-shot capture with the GFX100S without a tripod. Best still used on a tripod, of course, to maximize that sensor! But for me, there is now more flexibility, and -- importantly -- more reliability of a clean capture from the GFX100S when compared to the SL2's high resolution mode.

- the "look" of the files I'm getting out of the GFX100S are different. I can't describe it easily, and of course this is entirely subjective. The 100mp sensor has more resolution, but the files also look more gentle in rendering than what I could personally achieve with the SL2 .....maybe it's a mix of the GFX's higher capture of fine detail from the 100mp sensor, but with more dynamic range and also smoother acuity than the SL2 files?? ..... I really don't know ...... but personally I find these GFX100S files more film like (here, I'm comparing it to 5x4 film)  ....and with granularity and impact sliders for Grain in Capture One set at 20 apiece, the look from the GFX100S vs a flawlessly captured and drum-scanned 5x4 image is remarkably convincing, and I don't think I could ever say that about what I achieved with my SL2 files. Anyhow, I'm getting quickly to a look from the GFX that I like a lot.

- some people may well say it's a gimmick, but I do like having the option of Fuji film simulation profiles for processing the RAWs .....sure, I could stick to Capture One and Adobe's own profiles (Standard, Landscape, Neutral etc) or build my own profiles, but I'm finding some of these Fuji camera film curves are helping me to get me to looks that I like a lot. Again, purely subjective, but working for me.

- no doubt in my eyes, the SL2 and SL APO lenses are beautifully made, and I prefer the build quality of them both to the GFX. But the above is is something I prioritized more than build quality.

Edited March 10, 2021 by Jon Warwick

[Alistairm]

4 hours ago, tom0511 said:

@ Alistairm. the evf of the x1dii is very good and improved over the x1d.

I think Fuji is (much) ahead in making a camera fast and included new features and update this every 1/2 year. Hassy and Leica are ahead in simplicity of menue and ergonomics. I believe the simple UI, the solid feel in the hand, and the small size are priorities of the x1d/x1dii-system. I believe they also want to make it beautiful and functional at the same time. I guess for Fuji the functionality and including as many functions were probably more important than make the camera (and lenses) look and feel beautiful. In the end I do like, that different brands have different approaches, would be boring if they all had the same / similar products.

Tom 

These are things I value highly. While I’m enjoying the GFX output it could never be my primary camera. My XCD system lenses are all here waiting for the updated body they deserve! Maybe I should bite the bullet on a mkII... frankly I am hoping for an X2D. If I ever decide to sell my XCD lenses no doubt they’ll announce it immediately after! 

[plasticman]

57 minutes ago, Alistairm said:

Tom 

These are things I value highly. While I’m enjoying the GFX output it could never be my primary camera. My XCD system lenses are all here waiting for the updated body they deserve! Maybe I should bite the bullet on a mkII... frankly I am hoping for an X2D. If I ever decide to sell my XCD lenses no doubt they’ll announce it immediately after! 

I’d wait a short while at least. Here in Sweden it was very difficult to find used XCD lenses, and when I did, the price was almost indistinguishable from new.
 

I ended up buying the 45P directly from Hasselblad. Even new lenses that I saw advertised on store websites locally were already reserved before I had the chance to buy them. 

So my (amateur) advice is wait and see - apparently demand is still strong for the system. 
 

PS: as a further note on my experience of the X1D - I’m frankly amazed at the EVF. To my untrained eye it’s as large as a 75” TV. If anything, there’s too much information to take in. 

Edited March 10, 2021 by plasticman

[ZHNL]

Having owned both X1dII and GFX50S, I actually like GFX50S very much and much prefer using it over X1d2. I even like its build and shape. It is a modern Contax645, not as prettier as X1D but it has icon look as well. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. However, their lens do looks ugly and uninspiring build wise.  

I think build and ergo wise, X1dII is the most impressive camera. but its EVF is disappointment for me. It looks big and bright but corner is poor that very sensitive to how you position your eyes. I believe it is due to poor glass in front of EVF panel. The shooting experience is another huge disappointment to me almost make me feel it is a poser than tool. The delay is very noticeable.  80mm AF almost moving the camera body with it with sound and have back focus tendency (focus on back eyes than leading eye) if you select focus box big, and slow if select focus box small. From click the shutter to take image, and from take image to next image, they both have 'huge' delay. Color wise, it is great but so is Fuji. I really don't feel too much special as most people make it compare to GFX to be honest. These two sensor are almost like twin characteristic wise. If anything, I think FUJI file can handle more push pull without breaking. (I use both under lightroom) 

Ideally, I would be really interested in X1dIII for its sheer build and ergo (assume they improve their EVF and general slowness) with focal plane shutter so I don't need touch those sloppy Hassy AF Glasses at all. However, I would think IBIS will be a problem for small manufacture like Hassy.  

I am shocking to see people at one hand blame Leica SL for poor AF, and at other praise Hassy ??  If I am a landscape shooter, I think X1DII or 907 would be really hard to beat, then they need 100M sensor to qualify. Another consideration is for a hobbyist like take snap shots, I would much prefer focal plane shutter than leaf one in lens, I can replace  camera or shutter easily but don't want deal with broken lens. 

Just my 2c. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

1 hour ago, ZHNL said:

Having owned both X1dII and GFX50S, I actually like GFX50S very much and much prefer using it over X1d2. I even like its build and shape. It is a modern Contax645, not as prettier as X1D but it has icon look as well. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. However, their lens do looks ugly and uninspiring build wise.  

I think build and ergo wise, X1dII is the most impressive camera. but its EVF is disappointment for me. It looks big and bright but corner is poor that very sensitive to how you position your eyes. I believe it is due to poor glass in front of EVF panel. The shooting experience is another huge disappointment to me almost make me feel it is a poser than tool. The delay is very noticeable.  80mm AF almost moving the camera body with it with sound and have back focus tendency (focus on back eyes than leading eye) if you select focus box big, and slow if select focus box small. From click the shutter to take image, and from take image to next image, they both have 'huge' delay. Color wise, it is great but so is Fuji. I really don't feel too much special as most people make it compare to GFX to be honest. These two sensor are almost like twin characteristic wise. If anything, I think FUJI file can handle more push pull without breaking. (I use both under lightroom) 

Ideally, I would be really interested in X1dIII for its sheer build and ergo (assume they improve their EVF and general slowness) with focal plane shutter so I don't need touch those sloppy Hassy AF Glasses at all. However, I would think IBIS will be a problem for small manufacture like Hassy.  

I am shocking to see people at one hand blame Leica SL for poor AF, and at other praise Hassy ??  If I am a landscape shooter, I think X1DII or 907 would be really hard to beat, then they need 100M sensor to qualify. Another consideration is for a hobbyist like take snap shots, I would much prefer focal plane shutter than leaf one in lens, I can replace  camera or shutter easily but don't want deal with broken lens. 

Just my 2c. 

I like the leaf shutters. Fabulous in studio and almost zero chance of shutter shock in the field.

I also like the EVF. I'm not having any issues. Considering it's a lower resolution (same as GFX100S). What I don't like is the lack of a live histogram.

Hasselblad will be slow until they get a camera with that PDAF sensor. Then like Fuji I think there will be a big improvement in AF. IBIS will require a deeper body and I don't know if that suits HB's plans. I sure would be nice to have, although I'm in the middle of a trip now with the X1DII and I'm getting by just fine. However if an X1D were released tomorrow with IBIS I'd get it, for sure. That's my main reason for trying out the GFX100S and why I didn't buy the 50MP Fujis.

I'm not having any issues with the 80 and AF. It isn't quick but it's accurate, for me. I use rear button AF on the X1D. That might be helping my hit rate.

My GFX100S and 80mm are waiting for me when I get home. It'll be interesting to compare them directly. Currently I'm not planning to get rid of anything. I use my SL2 for other projects and I'd like to see if HB can come up with a 100MP body for those lenses. They deserve it. I will be looking closely at the colour. I have a lot of experience with Fuji X (currently have 3 cameras) but not GFX. Fuji colours are excellent but I prefer what HB does. The X1D is my reference for colour.

I really like the X1D. It suits me and the way I shoot. I never feel constrained by it and the stunning long exposure implementation and timer release are perfect. The zoom is stunning as an all purpose lens and I'm down to a pretty small(ish) kit now. It will be interesting to see if the added functionality of the GFX 100S will add or detract from my shooting experience. I know the IBIS and aperture rings on lenses will be a bonus. As will be the flippy screen. I'm not sure whether the AF improvements will be wasted on me though. Or whether they will make me push the SL2 to the background a bit. I'd like to see some more lenses at the wide end, maybe even a zoom to meet the 45-100. A 28-45 perhaps?

Gordon

[plasticman]

I also love leaf shutters - so gentle you can barely tell the camera has fired: I think of the comparison of the Mamiya 6 and (say) the Hasselblad 501cm.

I’m loving manually focusing the 45P but I doubt I’d like it as much on the enormous 80mm. But when I tried AF with it, I have to say I didn’t think it was as bad as others have said. Seems to me that with these enormous and simply amazing sensors, the tiniest inaccuracy is glaringly obvious - so I’m pretty amazed at how good it actually is.

I do wish the X1D sensor readout was faster though - so that I could try a few Leica M lenses on it for everyday use. 

Edited March 10, 2021 by plasticman
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[Alistairm]

Just waiting for Adobe to catch up with the GFX100S now!

[ZHNL]

2 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

I like the leaf shutters. Fabulous in studio and almost zero chance of shutter shock in the field.

I also like the EVF. I'm not having any issues. Considering it's a lower resolution (same as GFX100S). What I don't like is the lack of a live histogram.

Hasselblad will be slow until they get a camera with that PDAF sensor. Then like Fuji I think there will be a big improvement in AF. IBIS will require a deeper body and I don't know if that suits HB's plans. I sure would be nice to have, although I'm in the middle of a trip now with the X1DII and I'm getting by just fine. However if an X1D were released tomorrow with IBIS I'd get it, for sure. That's my main reason for trying out the GFX100S and why I didn't buy the 50MP Fujis.

I'm not having any issues with the 80 and AF. It isn't quick but it's accurate, for me. I use rear button AF on the X1D. That might be helping my hit rate.

My GFX100S and 80mm are waiting for me when I get home. It'll be interesting to compare them directly. Currently I'm not planning to get rid of anything. I use my SL2 for other projects and I'd like to see if HB can come up with a 100MP body for those lenses. They deserve it. I will be looking closely at the colour. I have a lot of experience with Fuji X (currently have 3 cameras) but not GFX. Fuji colours are excellent but I prefer what HB does. The X1D is my reference for colour.

I really like the X1D. It suits me and the way I shoot. I never feel constrained by it and the stunning long exposure implementation and timer release are perfect. The zoom is stunning as an all purpose lens and I'm down to a pretty small(ish) kit now. It will be interesting to see if the added functionality of the GFX 100S will add or detract from my shooting experience. I know the IBIS and aperture rings on lenses will be a bonus. As will be the flippy screen. I'm not sure whether the AF improvements will be wasted on me though. Or whether they will make me push the SL2 to the background a bit. I'd like to see some more lenses at the wide end, maybe even a zoom to meet the 45-100. A 28-45 perhaps?

Gordon

I hear you. Known you like X1D always. HB 80mm is flawless in term of optical performance. So far, based on initial samples, I think it at least wins over Fuji 80mm on CA department. However I hate its AF: noisy and slow. (I would say poor AF tech, who knows maybe I hate Fuji 80mm even more) manual focus is useless with poor FBW implementation. If it had a real focus ring, I might change my view on it. 

For leaf shutter, the one I like is from Sony RX1  HB one is too laud and slow to my taste. The fact of black screen and shutter delay makes you wonder when is the exact time shutter tripped. This becomes harder to use if you want capture moment. GFX50s is not the best but way better than X1d in this regard. I almost use SL2 E-shutter full time. It is actually one of fastest E-shutter on the market other than A9. It is way quieter than HB leaf shutter   

I view X1dII myself as hate and love relationship. Love its build and ergo, big and bright LCD, EVF(other than corner smear) but hate its FBW implementation, delay, AF etc.. Ultimately I decide its cons win over. Maybe x1d3, I will reevaluate it. It has lots of potentials. 

Different than most people here,  I don't have much complain on SL2 other than fixed LCD. It is not perfect but it is beyond my expectation as total package for modern Leica camera. File is not as robust as 50M MF, AF is not as good as top competition but it does offer some attractions others don't have that I value highly such ergo, menu, build and Leica system integration.  

100s should not even be compared to SL2 IMHO, totally different animal. 

Edited March 10, 2021 by ZHNL

[Jon Warwick]

1 hour ago, Alistairm said:

Just waiting for Adobe to catch up with the GFX100S now!

Just been added!! I can process GFX100S raws now in Photoshop, I don’t know about LR given I’m not a user 

[aksclix]

To effectively compare one camera system to "any" other camera system, there should be a basic table with photography type or "genre", build quality, ergo, budget and other decision driving factors along the X-axis and cameras in comparison along the Y-axis.. Then, a rating value of 1 to 10 in each cell of the table could give the buyers a fun exercise and lets them decide what fits their needs the most!  These ratings have to be somewhat of a gold standard done by dxomark or dpreview or whoever.. 

 

 

[plasticman]

57 minutes ago, aksclix said:

To effectively compare one camera system to "any" other camera system, there should be a basic table with photography type or "genre", build quality, ergo, budget and other decision driving factors along the X-axis and cameras in comparison along the Y-axis.. Then, a rating value of 1 to 10 in each cell of the table could give the buyers a fun exercise and lets them decide what fits their needs the most!  These ratings have to be somewhat of a gold standard done by dxomark or dpreview or whoever.. 

 

 

I think in the end it would be like a comparative table for someone looking for a husband or wife: how good are they at cooking; how good in bed; how attractive is the body; rated on the y-axis.

In the end there’s always something else that’s intangible, which we find beautiful or enjoyable in a person or a camera system. 

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[Mr.Q]

22 hours ago, aksclix said:

am so jealous right now..
I ordered within 10 minutes after they listed it on their site at B&H.. hope they ship mine as close to the 11th as possible! 

GFX system isn't the prettiest to look at.. Hasselblad wins that hands down! I've also liked the Leica colors better than the GFX'.. but, it's the amazing amazing sharpness it retains upon heavy cropping that impresses me.. do you have the GF 250mm? if you do, let me know how the balance is with the 100s..  

No I only have the 32-64 and 80. 

 

21 hours ago, Succisa75 said:

I also like the colours from Hassy better than Fujifilm except reds. The X1D can’t handle reds well at all. They bloom at times and tonality is lost. 
 

the 100s is a magnesium alloy frame so it’s not really plastic except for the buttons and doors. 
granted it doesn’t feel as nice in the hand as the SL2 and X1D, but doesn’t get hot like the X1D as well. Trade offs. 
 

For me the IQ wins and the lenses while maybe don’t feel as premium on the outside has fantastic glass inside. 

I'm not sure, but yeah, the SL2/X1D just feels so much more solid.  I guess that's the result of milling the body from a solid block of aluminum.

 

17 hours ago, Lichozaur said:

I have a question to all GFX100s - apart from the huge resolution, can you get a similar 3D pop as with Leica glass? I know MF has shallower depth of field, which definitely contributes to that effect, but is the falloff and microcontrast on the same level as Leica?

I swapped all of my Sony gear for Leica Q2 recently and i absolutely love the IQ, and now I'm considering getting another body with a longer lens. SL2/SL2-s are obvious candidates, but the recent release of Fuji compact MF has stirred my thoughts.

Some people say that with the SL lenses you can get a "medium format look."   With the GFX you get the real deal.  It's a totally different playing field. 

 

16 hours ago, tom0511 said:

Mr.Q - thanks for posting this experience.

As a GAS-type of person there are 2 things you write which so far keep me away from switching to Fuji:

I havent handeled the new gfx100s but both the 50s and 50r and some of the lenses for about 1 week and while it felt fine in hand, I also found it not to feel as solid and nice as a Leica or Hassy x1d. And for me it is also an important factor, that I enjoy picking up a camera and using it. This is also one of the reasons I really still love the M system for certain things. The simplicity of the UI and menues, the OVF seeing the real light, the sound of the shutter, the feel when you focus those small lenses, and of course the IQ. For M-shooters the SL2 vs gfx100s has 2 advantages: 1) you can use the M lenses on either camera, for example wide angel lenses, where you dont need the AF, and then just add some zooms or a portrait AF prime. 2) you have comparable menue-logic in both cameras. This makes it simple and enjoyable.

The second thing, I can explain why, but I also feel there is some color pop in images from Leica or the x1d(II) which I like. Maybe the Fuji is more neutral, and I bet scientificly the Fuji is just as good or even better, but thats my taste when I look at images in the internet and also when I tested the 50MP Fujis.

Having said all this, if you want best value for money, I bet the gfx100s is probably (one of) the most exciting cameras today. I am impressed how they can make it this size, with ibis, phase AF, 100MP etc., and also for what price they can do it.

I agree with all your points, and yes, so far I'm finding that I spend more time tweaking the GFX files than X1D.  But out in the field it's not even a contest.  The GFX is so much more responsive, even with it's slowest lens, the GF80.