jdlaing Posted February 10, 2021 Share #161 Posted February 10, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) You can’t have an EVF M. If it has an EVF it’s not an M mount camera. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Zapp Posted February 10, 2021 Share #162 Posted February 10, 2021 Am 28.12.2020 um 09:26 schrieb MrFriendly: Crank-Powered M: maybe a bad idea, but similar to crank-powered flash lights, I think it would be neat to be able to use the fold-out thumb rest to charge an internal capacitor to fire a shot when the battery is dead. You stole my idea! Eventually a barebone M without LCD, EVF option, Wifi, Bluetooth or menus to play with would consume less power. The last generation of compact cameras and consumer SLR had disposable lithium batteries with high capacity and long shelve life, good enough to power film transport, flash and AF, which under some circumstances I would prefer over rechargeable batteries. Since the dawn of ages Leica responded with decades of delay to requests for faster lenses, integrated/TTL metering, auto exposure etc.. It's, after all, a small company rather than a small division of a tech corporation. In fairness, it took the SLR camp years to offer TTL metering with open aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted February 10, 2021 Share #163 Posted February 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Peter Zapp said: You stole my idea! Eventually a barebone M without LCD, EVF option, Wifi, Bluetooth or menus to play with would consume less power. The last generation of compact cameras and consumer SLR had disposable lithium batteries with high capacity and long shelve life, good enough to power film transport, flash and AF, which under some circumstances I would prefer over rechargeable batteries. I think a bare bones, high reliability, bug-free M would be great. Lighter weight too, 24Mp plenty. Re-chargeable batteries are needed to avoid the awful environmental impact of disposable batteries. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 10, 2021 Share #164 Posted February 10, 2021 43 minutes ago, lct said: I must be becoming paranoid then And for good reason. An army of rangefinder shooters has identified your location and is surrounding your home right at this moment. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkinners Posted February 10, 2021 Share #165 Posted February 10, 2021 The only wish for the next Digital M for me is bring back the frameline illuminator window like M8 and M9 has but I think it's highly unlikely, it's much cheaper to have electronic illuminate frameline and lesser process for milling and assembly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 10, 2021 Share #166 Posted February 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mr.Prime said: I think a bare bones, high reliability, bug-free M would be great. Lighter weight too, 24Mp plenty. Re-chargeable batteries are needed to avoid the awful environmental impact of disposable batteries. But, I already have that with my M10-P. 20,000 frames without so much as a hiccup. As far as I'm concerned, it's the perfect camera for color shooting. The same is true for my M10M, although I must admit the 40 MP sensor is really, really nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 10, 2021 Share #167 Posted February 10, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 15 hours ago, fotografr said: Just click the link that lct provided above then let's move on. Thats what they said back in May 2020, it is already February 2021, new models [M11] is just round the corner, and after that next new model [M12], and so on. No good screaming RF or Nothing, It is a matter of time before ever increasing number of MP on the sensor is not going to be enough to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 10, 2021 Share #168 Posted February 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, mmradman said: Thats what they said back in May 2020, it is already February 2021, new models [M11] is just round the corner, and after that next new model [M12], and so on. No good screaming RF or Nothing, It is a matter of time before ever increasing number of MP on the sensor is not going to be enough to sell. Who is screaming RF or nothing? People are expressing preferences, not stating ultimatums. Those of us with M systems will make decisions about future Leica offerings by weighing the pros and cons at the time. Currently, the rangefinder is a primary consideration that has kept me buying new M bodies. If the rangefinder is dropped, I'd certainly look at what was being offered in it's place, but I'd be looking alongside several other cameras (like Sony) that I can use my M lenses on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 10, 2021 Share #169 Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, fotografr said: Who is screaming RF or nothing? People are expressing preferences, not stating ultimatums. Those of us with M systems will make decisions about future Leica offerings by weighing the pros and cons at the time. Currently, the rangefinder is a primary consideration that has kept me buying new M bodies. If the rangefinder is dropped, I'd certainly look at what was being offered in it's place, but I'd be looking alongside several other cameras (like Sony) that I can use my M lenses on. Perhaps screaming was a strong word, however i hear a lot of gnashing of teeth and feet stomping about mere tought of RF being dropped. I am not suggesting for a second to driop optical RF but selling yesterday's EVF packaged with premium price digital camera is not going to work for ever. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 10, 2021 Share #170 Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, mmradman said: Perhaps screaming was a strong word, however i hear a lot of gnashing of teeth and feet stomping about mere tought of RF being dropped. I am not suggesting for a second to driop optical RF but selling yesterday's EVF packaged with premium price digital camera is not going to work for ever. What package? I’ve never seen it packaged with an M body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted February 10, 2021 Share #171 Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, fotografr said: But, I already have that with my M10-P. 20,000 frames without so much as a hiccup. As far as I'm concerned, it's the perfect camera for color shooting. The same is true for my M10M, although I must admit the 40 MP sensor is really, really nice. When I said ‘bare bones’, I was lending my support to a simpler concept, without large LCD on the back cover. The M10D came close but it’s going for jewelry, not user, prices and I’d like to see it as useable without wi-fi too. Lighter weight also desired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 10, 2021 Share #172 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, jdlaing said: If it has an EVF it’s not an M mount camera. An M-mount camera is a camera with an M mount. A Leica M for instance. Or an Epson R-D1. Edit: ... Or a Ricoh GXR A12 M mount. Then camera + M mount = M-mount camera. Simple. Edited February 10, 2021 by lct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 10, 2021 Share #173 Posted February 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, lct said: An M-mount camera is a camera with an M mount. A Leica M for instance. Or an Epson R-D1. Edit: ... Or a Ricoh GXR A12 M mount. Then camera + M mount = M-mount camera. Simple. But the 'M' stands for Messsucher or rangefinder in German. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 10, 2021 Share #174 Posted February 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, lct said: An M-mount camera is a camera with an M mount. A Leica M for instance. Or an Epson R-D1. Edit: ... Or a Ricoh GXR A12 M mount. Then camera + M mount = M-mount camera. Simple. It’s not that simple. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 10, 2021 Share #175 Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Matlock said: But the 'M' stands for Messsucher or rangefinder in German. The Leica IIIf has a rangefinder for instance but it has no M mount. So it is not an M-mount camera. Obvious . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 10, 2021 Share #176 Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, lct said: The Leica IIIf has a rangefinder for instance but it has no M mount. So it is not an M-mount camera. Obvious . A IIIf with an EVF would be an interesting project for someone, are you up for it? 😊 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted February 10, 2021 Share #177 Posted February 10, 2021 the iiif with an EVF is the digital CL, but without the lovely traditional interface (why I sold it) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 10, 2021 Share #178 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Matlock said: A IIIf with an EVF would be an interesting project for someone, are you up for it? 😊 Thanks no thanks as it would not be an M mount camera. I have eleven like that : M3, M4-2, M6J, M8.2, M240, R-D1, RD1s and Ricoh GXR M mount. M240 and GXR have an accessory EVF already. I just want another compact M mount camera with a built-in EVF in FF format. Edited February 10, 2021 by lct 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 10, 2021 Share #179 Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, jdlaing said: What package? I’ve never seen it packaged with an M body. Fair cop, got me, compatible would be more appropriate. Not alluding to you personally but splitting hairs seems to be general undertone of this thread. Some people are traditionalists and would love nothing more than digital camera loaded with film like digital cartridges and powered with rewind crank and on the opposite end of the spectrum modernists would like best of modern technology incorporated into the M mount camera. If I want traditional I reach for my freezer and pull out roll of film and load my MP. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted February 10, 2021 Share #180 Posted February 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Mr.Prime said: the iiif with an EVF is the digital CL, but without the lovely traditional interface (why I sold it) I think the T series handles more like a Barnack. Will be sorry if it's dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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