Leica Q2 Monochrom

[hdmesa]

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7 hours ago, SrMi said:

Sean Reid has documented the difference between M10M with Summilux 28/1.4 vs. Q2M. Everyone can decide if the difference is relevant, but there is a difference.

Of course the elephant in the room standing between these two lenses (besides price) is the short minimum focusing distance + twist-to-macro mode of the Q. This really makes the fixed-1.7 something quite unique.

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[SrMi]

26 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Of course the elephant in the room standing between these two lenses (besides price) is the short minimum focusing distance + twist-to-macro mode of the Q. This really makes the fixed-1.7 something quite unique.

.. and the OIS.

[harmen]

Does anyone know how much infrared is captured by the Q2M sensor?  Given the excellent high ISO and focusing off the sensor, it could be a good candidate to use with a strong IR filter on the lens.  That is unless the filter in front of the sensor knocks out IR too effectively.

[LocalHero1953]

8 hours ago, Jon Warwick said:

Maybe some syntactic ambiguity here (so possibly I’m reading the opposite of what you’ve expressed), but it was my understanding that the SL primes have very very little corrections done by software, ie, basically flawless as they are without software .....

I was thinking particularly of the Summicron-SL 35, reported by DXOMark to be corrected by built-in profiles. The longer ones may not need so much, or any.

[darylgo]

2 hours ago, harmen said:

Does anyone know how much infrared is captured by the Q2M sensor?  Given the excellent high ISO and focusing off the sensor, it could be a good candidate to use with a strong IR filter on the lens.  That is unless the filter in front of the sensor knocks out IR too effectively.

Likely, that it is similar to the SL line that blocks ir much better than M digital, rendering it all but useless for ir.  I’d be surprised if Leica makes a weak ir filter on any non M body, post M8. 

[Giguchan]

21 hours ago, Stephen.s1 said:

After checking sample images from the Q-M (is that correct?) I think it would behoove Leitz to pack the most commonly used B/W filters with each camera.

THAT'S a perfect idea!!

  I was thinking about that too.  I already have B+W filters  so hopefully  i'll be good.

[SrMi]

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8 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I was thinking particularly of the Summicron-SL 35, reported by DXOMark to be corrected by built-in profiles. The longer ones may not need so much, or any.

My Summicron-SL 35mm DNG files do not have a built-in profile. Adobe does not show/apply it as with other lenses, and Rawdigger (no profile application) does not show any difference to files in LrC. AFAIK, that is the case for all Summicron-SL lenses.
I do not understand why DXOMark claims that there is a built-in profile.

 

[jonoslack]

11 hours ago, harmen said:

Does anyone know how much infrared is captured by the Q2M sensor?  Given the excellent high ISO and focusing off the sensor, it could be a good candidate to use with a strong IR filter on the lens.  That is unless the filter in front of the sensor knocks out IR too effectively.

Hi There

Interesting that you should ask this - I got the following quote from Leica (for a slightly different question about spectral sensitivity) 

In a monochrome sensor the spectral sensitivity is mainly due to the silicon. But because the sensor is much too IR-sensitive, an IR-cut filter is used (as with the color sensor) to approximate the sensitivity of the eye. On the UV side, there is also some cropping at the same time, but the side is negligible.

I think that probably suggests that it's quite effective 

 

[Woody Campbell]

I've got one on order.  This camera checks many boxes for me (my primary camera now is my M10M with a reasonably full range of lenses).  Autofocus. Image stabilization. very high ISO.  Weather sealing.  This will permit me to go some places where the M10M can't go.   Also crops to 35mm (with framelines!) with resolution similar to last generation.

I've owned the Q and thought that overall the lens was one of Leica's best 28s.  I take the point on corner resolution - BUT I'm shooting the current 28 elmarit on my M10M and isn't the Q lens pretty good across the field at 2.8?  I felt at the time that in use the Q was one of the best 28s that I had ever owned in terms of rendering and presence.  I ended up trading the Q for an RX1: the cameras have slightly different strengths and weaknesses - I prefer slightly the 35mm focal length. In the end I thought the trade was a mistake and sold the Sony. 

In landscape I do a lot of stitches.  The 28 is the outer limit in wide lenses of what can reliably stitch  - I can stitch it to a square with two frames.  The result will be 70 monochrome megs, which is awsome for landscape.  4x5 in your pocket indeed.

I rarely post here - maintaining my various online accounts sucks up my available screen time.  Sorry for the rant.

Regards to all.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Woody Campbell

[harmen]

Thanks everyone for the replies regarding IR.  If anyone has both Q2M and an IR filter I’d love to hear if some light still seeps through, even if it’s likely to be little.

[pibitller]

 

I think that if the Q2 is a very good camera, and it is a very good prototype for the SL2, 
the Q2M is also a very good prototype for the future SLx Monochrome.

Since the SL2 has a very good Mirrorless system, and has the best full frame lenses, 
it deserves to have a monochrome camera.

Thank you very much Leica for your wonderful work!

[lx1713]

On 11/12/2020 at 1:38 PM, piblondin said:

Could you explain the reasoning here? Why would the higher resolution images be unsuitable for non-professional usage? 

I'm repeating this in case others jump in and make wrong assumptions 😅 

For my Personal Non-professional use. 

It's really a personal preference, not really a knock against 47mp. It's the fact that I'm very comfortable with 28mm and I don't really enlarge beyond 8x12 personally. So 24mp gives me plenty of room for that.

But if I feel the need to carry 28-75mm range then 47mp might be helpful. Not for most times. 99% of the time, I'm comfortable with going close to get personal shots. It's when you have shot  for a very long time, and you know what you want out of what you have sort of thing. So I would shoot a lot more with my Q2 on a personal basis if it's 24mp. I would probably carry it daily. At the end of the day, it's competing with my iPhone 😂 And it's way nicer than the iPhone interface. So intuitive

For pro usage. 47mp did save my buns once. That's not a lot and the client would have forgiven based on my track record. In fact, 24mp would have done the job 😆

No buts about it, the Q2 is marvellous.

Edited November 14, 2020 by lx1713

[James1975]

Mine just arrived. It is a beauty. Best thing is that they appear to have fixed that ridiculous lens cap 😂

 

[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, James1975 said:

Mine just arrived. It is a beauty. Best thing is that they appear to have fixed that ridiculous lens cap 😂

 

The matte paint on my Q-P makes the lens cover fit very tightly – so tight from the factory that removing it the first time took some work. I even tried unscrewing it, which unscrewed the lens ring with it – the lens ring stuck tightly into the cap! I had to screw it all back on and then wiggle the cap loose. Might be the matte finish on the Q2M helps in the same way.

Edited November 14, 2020 by hdmesa

[dantemi]

Mine arrived yesterday as well and I wondered why people were complaining with the lens cap, I confirm that it is so tight that some work is needed to remove and reposition it...

the camera is awesome and the mono sensor looks really great in terms of low light capabilities and dynamic range

[Jeff S]

On 11/12/2020 at 6:40 PM, Jon Warwick said:

Maybe some syntactic ambiguity here (so possibly I’m reading the opposite of what you’ve expressed), but it was my understanding that the SL primes have very very little corrections done by software, ie, basically flawless as they are without software .....

Toni Felsner, product manager for both S and SL lines, explained in an interview with Hugh Brownstone that the S lenses were the ones that needed to be optically corrected as built; otherwise distortions could be seen through the optical finder.  The SL lenses, while stellar, can on the other hand rely on some in-camera software corrections.

Jeff

[SrMi]

16 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Toni Felsner, product manager for both S and SL lines, explained in an interview with Hugh Brownstone that the S lenses were the ones that needed to be optically corrected as built; otherwise distortions could be seen through the optical finder.  The SL lenses, while stellar, can on the other hand rely on some in-camera software corrections.

Jeff

While none of my SL-Summicrons have a built-in profile, the SL-Summilux 50 has a built-in profile and the image is corrected and slightly cropped.

[jonoslack]

51 minutes ago, SrMi said:

While none of my SL-Summicrons have a built-in profile, the SL-Summilux 50 has a built-in profile and the image is corrected and slightly cropped.

I still think that the SL summicrons are perhaps the best lenses ever made - the acknowledgement that a really fast aperture is always going to be a compromise, and then making the very most of this observation, by using APO lenses to produce the very best f2 was a stroke of genius. Hats off to Peter Karbe!

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3 hours ago, jonoslack said:

I still think that the SL summicrons are perhaps the best lenses ever made - the acknowledgement that a really fast aperture is always going to be a compromise, and then making the very most of this observation, by using APO lenses to produce the very best f2 was a stroke of genius. Hats off to Peter Karbe!

Is that a totally impartial opinion?

[AaronMRamsey]

Is it worth buying I wonder if one already owns a Q2?