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24 minutes ago, Crem said:

21 sem is on my list of next lenses to get. Do you find the color vignetting to be enough of a problem to avoid the lens with the R? Are you doing anything to fix it in post? I do agree with what you said about the R. Highlight recovery and base ISO of 100 are what this sensor really excels at compared to the M10/M10P/M10D. The extra resolution is nice, but not nearly as useful in day to day use.

The M10-R is great, very happy with it. the Noise is even better and colors are so natural now.

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The 21 SEM is a good lens, it comes real good at f5-6 to f8, at f11 refraction is already softening the image.

I have tested Voigtlander Color-Skopar 21mm f/3.5 Aspherical Lens it is a good lens, but the 21 SEm get better details on M10-R

The M10-R create a 44MB  DNG file, it seams to be harder to edit. SL2 files are 80MB DNG, but much smother to edit. I wonder is M10-R have a compression that makes better to shoot and harder to edit.

 

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On 9/9/2020 at 1:47 PM, jplomley said:

I see a big difference in print quality with the M10-R at 17x22/16x24 since I can now print at a native resolution of 360 ppi rather than the 240 ppi the 24 MP sensor limited me to and which always creates artifacts. I’m able to shoot the M10-R handheld at 1/30th with my 35 FLE without any noteworthy repercussions. All of my lenses seem to perform better as well; these include the 21 SEM Asph, 28 Cron Asph v2, 35 Lux Asph FLE and 50 Lux ASPH. They all resolve beautifully and for reasons I can’t explain, images seem more life-like. Prints are very very close to MF quality. So for someone like myself that has standardized on 17x22/16x24 inch prints, I will never go back to 24 MP. The trade of my M10 to M10-R was worth every penny, and in fact I’m now eyeing the M10M as a result. 

Excuse my ignorance but what does "MF" quality stand for?  Thanks

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Just saw this thread, I upgraded as I use a 28/35/50 MATE as a single lens for travel and thought it would be a good move.  After a couple of trips I am not disappointed.  I have read that increased resolution might accentuate the aberrations of older lenses, but I have not seen that with the MATE.  Worth it for me.

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On 9/9/2020 at 10:53 AM, jaapv said:

Only upgrade if you need to - what feature of the new camera would improve your photography and what not? And if there should be any upgrade reason, is it worth the money?. Please bear in mind that more megapixels do not automatically lead to better images, in fact for most "standard" use even 24 MP is considerable overkill.

Unless, of course you suffer from the monkey-genetic defect that we all have, and that is reaching for the next shiny fruit before we have eaten the present one. In photography it is called GAS...

I just dusted off my M10, and having sold the Nikons I've been using, from now on, I will try to do everything with the M10.  While flying back from India, I debated whether my new found $$$ might be put to use in buying an M11, and a "plan-B" might be do do the upgrade.  

@jaapv, I've got to say you nailed it on the head.  In no way, do I "need to", and to be honest, I'm not even sure I "want to".  Between my Nikon D750's, and the M10, I am very comfortable with 24 megapixels.  I know I don't need more, and with the huge file sizes, I'm not sure I want more.  There's always advantages, at least on paper, but if the money starts burning a hole in my pocket, I suspect a new lens might be more useful.

I've got lots of lenses, but half of them are "vintage" as everyone is calling them nowadays, but I rather like the results I'm getting with them.  The lenses I need the most are a 35, 50, and the longest telephoto I can comfortably deal with on the M10, 135, which I bought last year..  I bought the new Voigtlander 50 that everyone is so excited about, and maybe I'll replace my ancient 35mm Summilux with a Voigtlander - but the Summilux is so small and light!!!  

If I still had a job, with a paycheck, I could make almost anything work - but I don't.  Using your words, I don't think the new features of either camera are that important to me, and I think my M10 will do everything I need.  An upgrade sounds tempting, but I like my M10 just the way it is right now.

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On 9/9/2020 at 3:40 PM, TrickyMrT said:

What are your thoughts about upgrading or not?

 

I was always taught upgrade the glass before the body. Maybe improve your lenses first. 

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4 hours ago, OThomas said:

I was always taught upgrade the glass before the body. Maybe improve your lenses first. 

He bought the M10-R two years ago.

In the ‘old’ days, film was the constant; not much the user could do to improve resolution/rendering except through a different lens, improved skills and/or switching formats. In the digital world, sensor differences have introduced another variable.  

But at the end of the day, it all depends on what the user is seeking to achieve…possibly including the satisfaction of GAS.

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10 hours ago, Al Brown said:

Not aside but hand in hand... I need a second body to avoid so much lens swap and for backup (darn I hope I dodn't jinx it, never needed backup with BP)
It has the suspicious tendency of some darker-than-olive hue, yes...

Ever since you posted that manufacturing dates, i started looking if it surfaces anywhere 😂😂😂

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So, hello from 2024. Do you all still love your decision to acquire the M10-R (if you did)?

Did you upgrade then to M11?

I have an M9-P in mint condition with newest replacement sensor. In this original thread, I have not seen too many posts regarding upgrading from the M9, mostly just the M10 and M240.

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Besides all what is already written about aspects on differences between camera-versions and speculations on what will come next, if an upgrade is worth its cost and so on...
A more widely projected point of view comes here below. It is a kind of philosophic reasoning of mine that I really like, but one that I don't always follow. But I really want to follow it. Maybe many others have been thinking in these directions already - I don't know, and it doesn't matter:

The absolutely biggest potential in photography is ourselves. I include myself.
A huge lot of us are not very creative.
We take more or less boring pictures.
We don't really upgrade ourselves.
The ideas are sparse.
We tend to imitate rather than be unique. Some call it inspiration, but that can be hard to judge if one thinks a little deeper.
By being unique I don't mean to stand out for the purpose of positioning oneself in the social context. I mean the images we create - in themselves. Not the person. Maybe hard to separate the image and the person behind it, but think of it. What is it that matters? I say the image. 🙂
Good enough gear is good enough. Some may think of "good enough" as something just above mediocre, or that the person who says so is someone who is satisfied with "whatever".
My thinking of "good enough" is determined by if the gear in question limits my wanted purpose of owning it. Either by its performance or by how it is for me to use.
If the sharpness it produces is so good that I don't get distracted by it - it is good enough. As one of many similar examples. Why should it be even better? For what purpose? "Technical and performance-related satisfaction? Maybe, I don't know.  🙂
"Humans always strive for improvements", may be one often repeated argument for upgrading gear and comparing gear in absurdum. I mean that is bullshit as an argument. 🙂

The "pixel peeping" - in ALL of its aspects and applications - is something we hardly could devote ourselves to before the digital era. Okay, one could of course analyze the negative trough a microscope or so, but I suppose my message is clear. (Maybe there was more interest in looking at MTF-curves then than now...)

My own experience more concretely:
When my ideas and creativity lacks - I tend to engage more in gear. I get more interested in reading about gear and I tend to be more prone to buy something new. In the "worst" case, I focus on WHAT to buy and don't give up before I have found something.
My own experience is the same in HiFi:
Periods when I am rather bored of "my music", don't find something new to listen to, don't get anything out of listening - I tend to think of if there is some new gear to buy...
🙂

 

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The period for editing the above is ended, so I have to complete it by another reply:
I have the "fat" Elmarit 90. It isn't completely immune to flare. Maybe better than the "thin one", I don't know. But sometimes it distracts me a little. 
So, I have been touched by the thinking of getting another version of a 90mm lens. So far I have successfully resisted an upgrade. It is better to have the little flare-issue in mind than to pay a huge amount of money only to get rid of that "problem". In other ways the "fat" is good enough for me. (Haven't "pixel-peeped" it so no faults found.)
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Regarding done upgrades:
My 50mm Summicron (don't know the version, but it was made 1984) was "back-focusing", which became aware of from some close-range, large aperture images I took. I noticed then that someone had filed off part of the edge that connects to the rangefinder-wheel. (Maybe to get it accurate with a particular camera instead of adjusting the camera i.e.)
So, I went to the shop for a complaint the last days of the warranty-period. No problem with that at all. Change to another used Summicron? Maybe a used but not so nice-looking Summilux of the previous version? Buy the recent version of the Summicron? Hm... or lets look at the very expensive brand new Summilux of the latest model?..
I convinced myself to buy the crazily expensive Summilux... No actual comparison on performance done. No try to even compare shots in the shop. No surfing on Internet. The close-up-feature of it and the "I-want-it!"-aspect was the whole "argument". 
Rather stupid but I don't regret it even though the Summicron is good enough.
 

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