gteague Posted August 27, 2020 Share #201 Posted August 27, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just now, lct said: I haven't used mine for decades so i don't remember sorry. BTW my SE is black and when i used it together with my M4-2 + 35/2 v4 i often preferred the Sonnar. Pity the Rollei has no focus aid though so f/2.8 pics were hit and miss to say the least. No crop factor and equivalent things then far as i'm concerned it's worth it if it just sits on a shelf where i can see it and marvel at the technical beauty of it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 27, 2020 Posted August 27, 2020 Hi gteague, Take a look here Firmware version 4 available for CL. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
gteague Posted August 27, 2020 Share #202 Posted August 27, 2020 and to drag this back to the firmware topic, for the last 3 days i've walked the exact same route in the same light and taken shots of the same thing with 3 different combinations of lens and camera. tonight was the cl with the 75mm summarit to test the digital tele-ext function. as with the 50mm, the image does soften up to a lesser or greater extent as you use 1.7x. here's the shot i've been using for a benchmark for the other lenses. this is at 1.7x and an effective ~200mm wide open at f2.4. it's possible that the softness might go away if you stopped down a couple. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/312494-firmware-version-4-available-for-cl/?do=findComment&comment=4034053'>More sharing options...
ramarren Posted August 27, 2020 Share #203 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, gteague said: i literally saw this one and fell in love even deeper than when i saw your post of this before. i read that only 1500 of these were made for the american/canadian market. i love the oak wreath--there's a huge amount of symbolism attached to that in the military and paganism, to name just two. what is the patch on top of the se? does the 'e' mean more electronics? i literally am starting from scratch with rollei. ah! newer and has led's in the viewfinder this says: 35 SE 1980-1982 f/2.8 Sonnar PX-27 Viewfinder LED metering Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The original, released in 1966, was just the Rollei 35 with a 40mm f/3.5 Tessar lens. The 35S version of the same camera was introduced in 1971 with the Sonnar 40mm f/2.8; the Tessar lens model was then renamed to Rollei 35T to distinguish between them. There were other models (Rollei 35B, Rollei 35A, Rollei 35LED, etc) that I'll not bother to treat here; they were lower end models with simpler lenses and plastic chassis. Both of the 35S and 35T cameras were designed to be controlled by looking down on them at waist level, with coupled CdS meter readout and focus/exposure controls visible from the top. The special edition Rollei 35S Silber that you pictured above was an edition commemorating the sale of 1,000,000 Rollei 35 cameras and was produced in 1979. It has the same metering arrangement as the 35S and 35T. The total production of this model is unknown; 1500 were imported to the USA. They were never advertised for sale officially: dealers had access to them and basically informed favored customers as to their availability. They came with a brass plaque that could be engraved and fitted into a section of the silvered leatherette on the back by removing the pre-cut section and pressing the brass piece into place with its sticky backing glue. I had one of these Silber cameras for about a dozen years. It was identical in build and performance to the black '72 35S that I still have (and still occasionally use). I've had that camera since the middle 1980s, after my first Tessar model, and it's been all around the world with me a dozen times over. Great little camera! The Rollei 35SE/TE models were an update from the middle 1970s. Instead of the CdS match needle system, they changed the design to include an LED readout for metering in the viewfinder, and reoriented the controls a little bit to present more of an eye-level setting camera. The black patch on the top is the battery compartment for the PX-27 5.6V mercury battery to run the LED system. All other mechanicals were neigh onto identical to the 35S/T models. Although some people have preferred this LED readout system, I always found it clumsy compared to the prior match-needle mechanical system of the 35S/T models. Production of the Rollei 35 models stopped in 1981 when Rollei went bankrupt. However, the Rollei 35 was returned to very limited production in the 1990s when Schneider had control of Rollei and a cache of "almost complete" Rollei 35S bodies and lenses were discovered as part of Rollei's retreat out of Singapore. Schneider outfitted these as high end specialty models with precious metal body claddings (Titanium, Gold and Platinum) and sold them under the Rollei 35 Classic moniker. They had the same control layout as the 35S with two small changes: the hot shoe had been relocated to the center top of the body (from the bottom left) and the lens release button had moved from the top of the body to the front of the camera. They had the same Sonnar 40mm f/2.8 lens, but it was now labeled as having Rollei HFT coatings. I had two of the Rollei 35 Classic Platinum models at one time. Frankly, the control layout of the Rollei 35S is superior to me and I sold both of the Classics during the 2008-2010 recession (same time I sold the Silver special edition). I've enjoyed using Rollei 35 cameras for a very long time, since about 1981 or so. They remain my favorite 35mm ultra compact film camera, and make photographs on par with the Leica CL and Summicron-C 40mm f/2 while being a little more than half the size. At one time, I would travel with ONLY the black Rollei 35S that I still have, and I could never fault the quality it produces. G Edited August 27, 2020 by ramarren 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2020 Share #204 Posted August 27, 2020 Gentlemen/Ladies. This thread is wandering all over the place. Let's return to discussing firmware. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted August 27, 2020 Share #205 Posted August 27, 2020 4 hours ago, jaapv said: Gentlemen/Ladies. This thread is wandering all over the place. Let's return to discussing fimware. Indeed... As I typed that piece on the Rollei 35, I wondered why this subject was being discussed in this thread rather than in Barnack's Bar. But it seemed to me a disservice to others interested to read a lot of incomplete or incorrect information about these cameras. Klaus Prochnow's excellent book 'Rollei 35 Family', copyright 1994, is the definitive reference book about the Rollei 35, albeit that it is quite hard to find and only available in German language edition. I've got a copy and have worked my way through it over the years... so many wonderful details about the history of this camera! It was and remains a significant landmark camera for its concept and quality. Returning to the Leica CL v4 firmware update, I had the CL out for a little shooting yesterday with it installed. As far as I can tell, there's no downside to it from the point of my shooting needs and experience. The control panel implementation doesn't do much for me, but it's just another press on the Menu button to get to my usual Favorites setup and not particularly obnoxious given that I use the menus so infrequently. I see no negative effect on my raw captures or on the focusing aids, and the operation of the camera with Leica FOTOs works fine too, so I wouldn't hesitate to say that everyone should simply update to it and keep on going. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Morley Posted August 27, 2020 Share #206 Posted August 27, 2020 5 hours ago, jaapv said: Gentlemen/Ladies. This thread is wandering all over the place. Let's return to discussing fimware. About time too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted August 27, 2020 Share #207 Posted August 27, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, jaapv said: Gentlemen/Ladies. This thread is wandering all over the place. Let's return to discussing fimware. Sounds like we should be discussing when FW5 will lock off the focus point as the default, if we are to stop wandering... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gteague Posted August 27, 2020 Share #208 Posted August 27, 2020 while i appreciate the attempts to keep things 'orderly', the internet was never designed for swimmers to stay in lanes. many have drowned in the attempt. i try to honor the forum rules, but my mind doesn't work like that and never has. if i had to go open a new thread each time i saw a link or association only peripheral to the 'topic' i wouldn't last long. in short, sorry, not sorry as the kids are saying nowadays. a leopard can't change his stripes. but as ramarran said, the firmware update proved more useful than i at first thought and although i see a tiny bit of 'degradation' or softening or whatever you call it when the 1.3/1.7x functions are used, that will not stop me from using them extensively as i do on my panasonics. /guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted August 27, 2020 Share #209 Posted August 27, 2020 It was a pleasant detour... I have discovered (I didn't know about this before at all), that in order to use the full Fotos app, I have to pay more money. It would seem, with the price of the cameras being what they are, it should be included. But perhaps times are tough at Leica, too... (oh, see? I went off topic there. Sorry) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2020 Share #210 Posted August 27, 2020 And it is being discussed extensively in the Fotos Forum. Scroll down 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted August 27, 2020 Share #211 Posted August 27, 2020 So a question regarding the use of the status screen to change settings. If I activate the touch-screen setting to do that, is the LCD screen also going to be activated every time my nose touches it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gteague Posted August 27, 2020 Share #212 Posted August 27, 2020 i suspect that will be the case, 100% and i haven't even bothered to chance the experiment i'm so sure. but feel free to try. an idea occurs to me, what would happen if you have it set to evf only? would that /info/ screen not even display on the lcd? i suspect not. btw, no one answered what the evf advanced or evf extended option meant. /guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 27, 2020 Share #213 Posted August 27, 2020 EVF extended disables the LCD when using the EVF. Easy to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted August 27, 2020 Share #214 Posted August 27, 2020 EVF extended: forces the view finder mode to use the EVF instead of the LCD. All other dispays (MENU and Play) are shown on the LCD or the EVF as determined by the sensor on the EVF. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gteague Posted August 27, 2020 Share #215 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pop said: EVF extended: forces the view finder mode to use the EVF instead of the LCD. All other dispays (MENU and Play) are shown on the LCD or the EVF as determined by the sensor on the EVF. and the difference from the regular evf mode? i thought that was exactly the behavior i saw when i tried it the other day. and contradicts what lct just posted if the lcd is enabled for the menus. i don't remember exactly what happened to cause me to abandon that mode, but it was something i considered awkward or time-consuming. /guy Edited August 27, 2020 by gteague Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gteague Posted August 27, 2020 Share #216 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) – EVF: Photographs, playback and menu control always in the viewfi nder – Auto: Screen or viewfi nder selection activated via proximity sensor – EVF Extended: Photographs always with viewfi nder, playback or menu control always on screen i swear i set to /evf/ yesterday and the menus never appeared in the evf. indeed, the /extended/ version sounds more like what i'd prefer. but this brings up another question which is akin to catching the refrigerator light on: when set to /auto/ and the camera is against you body on a sling, is the evf on all the time? the lcd does seem to go off. if you set it to /evf/ is that on all the time or just when it detects something in the vicinity? i haven't noticed excessive battery drain on my walks, so i've never asked myself these questions. /guy Edited August 27, 2020 by gteague Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2020 Share #217 Posted August 27, 2020 It depends on your "Auto Power Off" settings (main menu --> power saving --> auto power off) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gteague Posted August 27, 2020 Share #218 Posted August 27, 2020 that makes sense. i have the power settings very short to the point of annoyance sometimes. but it explains why i'm getting no excessive battery drain. /guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2020 Share #219 Posted August 27, 2020 I have it on 2 minutes. My experience. with the M8 -rather short battery life and slow startup- taught me to tap the shutter button as soon as I see a photographic situation developing, when I grab the camera before bringing it to my at the latest. -moderate topic drift again 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2020 Share #220 Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, jaapv said: I have it on 2 minutes. same here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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