Matlock Posted August 11, 2020 Share #181 Posted August 11, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 44 minutes ago, jdlaing said: My Mont Blanc pens don’t say made in Germany even though they are. Depends how old they are. All modern MBs have Germany etched on the clip ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pedaes Posted August 11, 2020 Share #182 Posted August 11, 2020 1 minute ago, FDS said: is unbridgeable This is one of those threads that just keeps going for fun because it is unbridgeable on a quite Forum day. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 11, 2020 Share #183 Posted August 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Mikep996 said: A product (in the USA) doesn't have to be labeled "Made in..." but if it says "Made in USA," per the FTC, none of the pricinple parts can be made outside of the US. IOW, in the case of a Leica M, something like the Leica red badge, or maybe the strap lugs could be made elsewhere but the body and any "principle parts" of the camera would have to be produced in the US. As has been noted, the OP did NOT turn this into a 9 page thread! How are you going to do that? The principal part, the sensor, is probably made in Israel, on a machine made in the Netherlands, from a wafer made in India, soldered to a motherboard designed in Germany and made in China, in Japan, sold through Japan and subassembled in Portugal, screwed together in Germany Umm... made in where??? Leica machined parts like the M top plate and lens barrels are made in Wetzlar, BTW (not by Leica). https://www.weller-feinwerktechnik.de/inhalt/home.html 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted August 11, 2020 Share #184 Posted August 11, 2020 "How are you going to do that? " Quite right...you can't. That's why there are virtually NO electronics/cameras, etc "made in USA." And, under US regs, there probably wouldn't be any labeled "Made in Germany." Not saying the FTC reg is good or bad, only saying that's the way it is. Apple, for example, states "Designed in California, Made in China." I suppose Leica could say, "Designed in Germany, assembled in Portugal using foreign parts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted August 11, 2020 Share #185 Posted August 11, 2020 On 8/8/2020 at 7:01 PM, Reini said: Yes it's bad advertising. It's just not an electronic problem and not a technical one that can occur anywhere. You can't miss this. At the latest, the cleaning lady should have seen it dusted off and packed up the last time ... :() What would you think if you bought a Mercedes ... and the star is missing in the front? ;)) That it transferred into a BMW? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted August 11, 2020 Share #186 Posted August 11, 2020 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Gobert: That it transferred into a BMW? Not necessarily. But what if you buy a BMW and you're missing a few horsepower? 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted August 11, 2020 Share #187 Posted August 11, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, Mikep996 said: And, under US regs, there probably wouldn't be any labeled "Made in Germany." But they are. 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted August 11, 2020 Share #188 Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Reini said: Not necessarily. But what if you buy a BMW and you're missing a few horsepower? 😁 Or worse still, you find that the indicators actually work. Obviously that would be one that slipped through QC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 11, 2020 Share #189 Posted August 11, 2020 It’s seems to me some users here want simply to put the blame of the missing white paint on Portugal. 🤣 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted August 11, 2020 Share #190 Posted August 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Reini said: Not necessarily. But what if you buy a BMW and you're missing a few horsepower? 😁 It transferred into a Porsche? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted August 11, 2020 Share #191 Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, jaapv said: And final assembly? Yup. Why not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini Posted August 11, 2020 Share #192 Posted August 11, 2020 vor 21 Minuten schrieb Chaemono: It’s seems to me some users here want simply to put the blame of the missing white paint on Portugal. 🤣 Please do not say against Portugal and the habitants !!! There they paint the most beautiful >Azulejos<. There are actually no mistakes! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 11, 2020 Share #193 Posted August 11, 2020 "Produce of various countries" packaged in Germany by Leica Camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted August 11, 2020 Share #194 Posted August 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, earleygallery said: "Produce of various countries" packaged in Germany by Leica Camera Cracked it - now they have to recall every M camera from 1954 for re-lableing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 11, 2020 Share #195 Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) There is little international consistency in labelling, despite the fact that “made in xxx” is apparently thousands of years old. The WTO has harmonisation as a goal, though I’m not sure of its priority. Here such labelling is under discussion. The rules, such as they are, relate to “country of origin”, and the accepted test seems to be “substantial transformation” - a technical term which includes final assembly (transforming a wheel into a car). I haven’t looked at the EU rules on the issue, but I suspect they follow the WTO approach. Assembling the various parts, powering up the camera to check the electronics and firmware, testing and calibrating the rangefinder, testing the shutter, applying paint and otherwise transforming a box of parts into a camera ready for use would seem to justify Germany as the country of origin of the camera, and the use of “Made in Wetzlar”. The US rules on sourcing different critical parts doesn’t seem to be universally accepted. The label “Made in the USA” brings to mind Monday morning cars from the 1970s. Probably unfair, but for motorbikes, Harleys and Indians are quite different from KTMs, BMWs and Ducatis; in cars, a Ford or an Audi ... Edited August 11, 2020 by IkarusJohn 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted August 11, 2020 Share #196 Posted August 11, 2020 So what was the original post about? I forget... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 11, 2020 Share #197 Posted August 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Matlock said: Depends how old they are. All modern MBs have Germany etched on the clip ring. I’ve had them for a while. Serial # on the clip ring but it does have Germany under the clip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 11, 2020 Share #198 Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: “made in xxx” is apparently thousands of years old As far as I am aware, "made in England" was first used in 1895 (the year that HP sauce was created) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 11, 2020 Share #199 Posted August 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, jaapv said: As far as I am aware, "made in England" was first used in 1895 (the year that HP sauce was created) I had a quick look on Wikipedia (I know, I know); the page refers to place of origin marks on jars dating back to 3,000 BC in Egypt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 11, 2020 Share #200 Posted August 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said: I had a quick look on Wikipedia (I know, I know); the page refers to place of origin marks on jars dating back to 3,000 BC in Egypt. I don't think that England produced much worth marking back then. The rather random trivia repository in my mind seems to have recorded that the British industry attempted to use the "made in England" marking as a commercial weapon against their German counterparts, which rather backfired, as the rest of the world preferred "made in Germany". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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