paulsydaus Posted August 5, 2020 Share #21 Posted August 5, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 minutes ago, elmars said: Nobody making mistakes here? If your job is final quality inspection and sign off, this is a pretty glaring failure not to pick this up... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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250swb Posted August 5, 2020 Share #22 Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, thedwp said: As @LeicaR10 said, it seems likely I received a pre-production model and it seems to make sense especially with 400+ shots out of the box. If it had zero shots that would be the worry, 400 shots simply shows Leica tested it before it left the factory. So you can rule out the conspiracy theory that it's a pre-production camera. I suppose missing paint on the ISO dial would irritate me a little bit, but I'd reach into the drawer and get out my paint stick, rub it over the engraving, wipe off the excess, and nobody in the world except me would ever know I'd filled in the missing paint. Paint sticks cost about $5. Are you sure it's not a bad case of 'buyers remorse'? Edited August 5, 2020 by 250swb 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 5, 2020 Share #23 Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, analog-digital said: Why should he be joking? At the latest when he wants to sell the M10-R again, he has a problem! I confess that without looking at his picture, I thought he was concerned about the font used for the number 4, which has a shortened vertical stroke. Then it became clear there was a bit of white paint missing. With access to a store that has a stack of new cameras to choose from, I would certainly check for perfect paint and any other microscopic blemishes. But living in a country which has no Leica stores, little support, and expensive shipping, I would never delay getting a new camera by a month over this issue. And since I have never kept a Leica body for less than 3-7 years, resale value is not at the top of my priorities. I picked up my SL2 from a friend in CA at SFO's curbside, grabbed the relevant parts, papers, and cables, dumped the boxes in the trash and boarded my connecting flight to my destination in Canada. Loss of the original packaging might cost me a small amount in 2029, when I retire the SL2 for its successor. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FDS Posted August 5, 2020 Share #24 Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) In his books, Jim Lager points out examples of misengravings —such as missing letters and words— on Leitz lenses. I recall that he showed similar occurrences on a Leica R3 MOT and, perhaps, there are others. He seems to cherish such oddities. If it’s a case of missing paint, I wouldn’t hesitate to fill it in with Tippex or white paint and carefully wipe (or scrape with a fingernail in the case of Tippex) the dried excess. No big whoop. If it’s an actual engraving error, I would hope I could consider it an amusing birthmark and, if later bothered, have the knob exchanged when in Wetzlar. Hey, it’s worth a trip there regardless! Edited August 5, 2020 by FDS Typing corrections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted August 5, 2020 Share #25 Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Absolutely right! The camera could not sell for top dollar regardless of the rest of the condition of the camera. Would anyone here pay X dollars for that camera used vs X dollars for another used one that did NOT have that flaw? NO, everyone would expect/demand it to sell for a lower price than the one without that flaw. If Leica NJ offered to refund some amount of money because of the flaw and that amount was acceptable to the OP, I could see keeping that camera (assuming the OP still wants an M10R). Otherwise it needs to go back to them. Edited August 5, 2020 by Mikep996 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 5, 2020 Share #26 Posted August 5, 2020 vor 8 Stunden schrieb thedwp: [...] I’ll have to sleep on it tonight and see which side of the GAS bed I get up on in the morning to decide if I’m going to send it back or exchange it. [...] I got up on the M11 side of the GAS bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted August 5, 2020 Share #27 Posted August 5, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) An area of about 1mm is missing paint. It should have not been there, but I imagine it was also not that hard to miss if your job is to spend your entire work day looking at cameras. They probably address more attention to the screen, VF, and function. The QC person is listed on your guarantee, and this will come back on them in some way if you return it, most likely just in statistics for the number of QC errors they let through. It is a fault and if it bothers you, the camera should be replaced. If you are not as concerned and are willing to keep the camera and use it, you could also ask that the closest Leica store address it. My guess is that if the engraving is there, they could just apply the appropriate paint in an matter of minutes. They do it with a syringe, and it looks more precise than difficult. If the engraving is off, they may be able to replace the ISO dial. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 5, 2020 Share #28 Posted August 5, 2020 51 minutes ago, Chaemono said: I got up on the M11 side of the GAS bed. Don't you already have an S3 with the 1.5X the same chip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 5, 2020 Share #29 Posted August 5, 2020 vor 1 Stunde schrieb scott kirkpatrick: Don't you already have an S3 with the 1.5X the same chip? Yes, I do. I think that the M10-R is complementary to the M10/-P for landscape and architectural photography and I don’t do much of that. No need for me to upgrade until the M11 arrives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted August 5, 2020 Share #30 Posted August 5, 2020 7 hours ago, elmars said: Nobody making mistakes here? We're not Leica. 😎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog-digital Posted August 5, 2020 Share #31 Posted August 5, 2020 vor 6 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick: I confess that without looking at his picture, I thought he was concerned about the font used for the number 4, which has a shortened vertical stroke. Then it became clear there was a bit of white paint missing. With access to a store that has a stack of new cameras to choose from, I would certainly check for perfect paint and any other microscopic blemishes. But living in a country which has no Leica stores, little support, and expensive shipping, I would never delay getting a new camera by a month over this issue. And since I have never kept a Leica body for less than 3-7 years, resale value is not at the top of my priorities. I picked up my SL2 from a friend in CA at SFO's curbside, grabbed the relevant parts, papers, and cables, dumped the boxes in the trash and boarded my connecting flight to my destination in Canada. Loss of the original packaging might cost me a small amount in 2029, when I retire the SL2 for its successor. At this price, the object of desire should be perfect. In other words, why shouldn't it be perfect? 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 5, 2020 Share #32 Posted August 5, 2020 Such a flaw is unacceptable. Demand that Leica sends the piece of missing paint to you immediately! Pete. 3 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 5, 2020 Share #33 Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, analog-digital said: At this price, the object of desire should be perfect. In other words, why shouldn't it be perfect? If perfection is what you are looking for, I suggest you hold off until they get the firmware right with no bad data to suggest that your f/1.4 lens was open to f/1.0, for example. That might happen around 2029. Anyway, nothing is perfect. I look for an exceptional camera. Edited August 5, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted August 5, 2020 Share #34 Posted August 5, 2020 I think the customer has every right to expect and receive a camera with no flaws. But I think it is also incumbent on the buyer to recognize that with handmade goods or at least hand-finished goods, certain things can fall through the cracks. Leica should be judged more on how they address the problem than the fact that a minor cosmetic issue slipped through. If this was a large scratch or a malfunctioning camera, that would be slightly different. We are somewhat lucky that people are working there at all at the moment...anyone can have an off day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgcm Posted August 5, 2020 Share #35 Posted August 5, 2020 17 hours ago, thedwp said: the other thing I noticed was the image counter was at L1000465 The counter keeps the number of the last picture recorded on the SD during test. The technician at the factory uses the same SD for many cameras. The firs test is picture n. 1. Then the technician tests another camera using the same SD. The counter goes up to let's say 10 or 15. After testing 100 cameras, the counter is up to 500 and so on. Forget about the counter. The counter of a brand new camera can start from 100 or 1000 or 10.000 depending on the number of camera with the same SD card. This issue comes back to the forum regularly. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 5, 2020 Share #36 Posted August 5, 2020 10 hours ago, FDS said: In his books, Jim Lager points out examples of misengravings —such as missing letters and words— on Leitz lenses. I recall that he showed similar occurrences on a Leica R3 MOT and, perhaps, there are others. He seems to cherish such oddities. Actually, come to think of it, FDS makes an excellent point. Flaws such as this, particularly if it's an engraving flaw, become sought-after by collectors specifically for the flaw and are often sold at auction for extraordinary amounts of money! You only have to recall the Inverted Jenny postage stamp with face value of 24 cents whose value now is about $1.5 million as a result of the flaw. The same stamp without the flaw is worthless. So the OP should at least consider keeping his M10-R with the paint flaw as inheritance for his great, great grandchildrens' grandchildren when it might be worth millions. Pete. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog-digital Posted August 5, 2020 Share #37 Posted August 5, 2020 vor 2 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick: If perfection is what you are looking for, I suggest you hold off until they get the firmware right with no bad data to suggest that your f/1.4 lens was open to f/1.0, for example. That might happen around 2029. Anyway, nothing is perfect. I look for an exceptional camera. I think you don't want to admit it or understand it. Well, the price is perfect (ionism), so the hardware also has to be perfect, Was that understandable now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 5, 2020 Share #38 Posted August 5, 2020 After this thread, it’ll be a collector’s piece. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 5, 2020 Share #39 Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, analog-digital said: I think you don't want to admit it or understand it. Well, the price is perfect (ionism), so the hardware also has to be perfect, Was that understandable now? How long do your cameras stay perfect? If you use them, that is. After 5 years of use, my cameras are about an 8.5 to 9.0 on KEH's scale. The tiny piece of chipped paint would not affect that. Edited August 5, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 5, 2020 Share #40 Posted August 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said: After this thread, it’ll be a collector’s piece. Well nobody will be able to use it so it may as well be a collectors piece, I mean what does 6*00 on the ISO dial mean anyway, does anybody know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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