roma Posted July 16, 2020 Share #41 Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you for the review Jono! A quick question. How does the Leica DNG file pre-cooking on the M10-R compare to M240 files vs the original M10 files. I'm probably not in the majority here, but like the flatness of the M240 files more because I can do more tweaking with them than I can with the M10 files. To me, the M10 files, while trying to look more like files from the M9, are too pre-baked out of the box to my liking. Edited July 16, 2020 by roma P.S. How's the battery life compared to the original M10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 16, 2020 Posted July 16, 2020 Hi roma, Take a look here Leica M10-R: Review by Jonathan Slack. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
M11 for me Posted July 16, 2020 Share #42 Posted July 16, 2020 It it possible to make some statements re image quality/perception when comparing Q2 with M10-R? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted July 16, 2020 Share #43 Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Jono - thanks for the insights. Chapeau! Having just got the SL2 - and at last REALLY enjoying an L mount camera, how do you compare the SL2 sensor to the M10R's. Are they equivalent to one another? I have to say that I do like the files the SL2 produces... But I think I may have to wait a bit before stumping up for the M10R! Edited July 16, 2020 by chris_tribble 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsr Posted July 16, 2020 Share #44 Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Great review as always, nice to see the good with the bad all reported in a balanced way. I especially like the fact you’ve not marked it down for having manual focus 😂 Edited July 16, 2020 by wattsr Typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted July 16, 2020 Share #45 Posted July 16, 2020 Hi Jono... I'm curious around any thoughts you might have about keeping an M10 as a compliment. Finances and the obvious advantage of having multiple bodies aside, could you find any significant reason(s) to retain the M10 along side the R? I also didn't see any mention of the EVF. Presumably all is pretty much as it has been, but I'm curious if you used it at all and if so, did you note any differences in low light performance or black out times, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRJ Posted July 16, 2020 Share #46 Posted July 16, 2020 Jono Great in depth review as per your usual balanced look. I hope you had a chance to see my images that were used for the Leica website and blog. Strangely, I seem to say more or less the same as you. Best to you, Huw www.palmant.com Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311399-leica-m10-r-review-by-jonathan-slack/?do=findComment&comment=4010137'>More sharing options...
bilbrown Posted July 17, 2020 Share #47 Posted July 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wouldn't the original M10 be better at low light? I'd love to see ISO 6400 on both to see the difference. But I guess this isnt a comparison, maybe I should do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert c Posted July 17, 2020 Share #48 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Hello Jono. Thanks for sharing your review. I have a question on the battery life. Is this new M10.R less powerconsuming than the M10 | M10.P ? In the specs it seems to have a battery of [...] nominal voltage 7.4V, capacity 1100mAh [...] whereas the others have a larger capacity of 1300mAh ... Did you notice this difference working with the new M10.R ... did you have to change batteries sooner? In advance, thanks for your reply. Bert | NL Edited July 17, 2020 by bert c Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuc001 Posted July 17, 2020 Share #49 Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, bert c said: Hello Jono. Thanks for sharing your review. I have a question on the battery life. Is this new M10.R less powerconsuming than the M10 | M10.P ? In the specs it seems to have a battery of [...] nominal voltage 7.4V, capacity 1100mAh [...] whereas the others have a larger capacity of 1300mAh ... Did you notice this difference working with the new M10.R ... did you have to change batteries sooner? In advance, thanks for your reply. Bert | NL Wait...I thought they all used the same battery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert c Posted July 17, 2020 Share #50 Posted July 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, nuc001 said: Wait...I thought they all used the same battery? NOT according to the latest specs ... it says: nominal voltage 7.4V, capacity 1100mAh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted July 17, 2020 Share #51 Posted July 17, 2020 you certainly can use all batteries in any M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted July 17, 2020 Share #52 Posted July 17, 2020 I used my three M10 batteries while testing the M10-R. No Problem with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert c Posted July 17, 2020 Share #53 Posted July 17, 2020 Well ... that’s is not my question. I wonder if the M10R is less or ‘smart’ power consuming since Wetzlar equipped it with a less powerful 1100 mAh battery and not a 1300mAh like it’s predecessors M10 | M10P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted July 17, 2020 Share #54 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, bert c said: NOT according to the latest specs ... it says: nominal voltage 7.4V, capacity 1100mAh The battery in my M10 is at least 1100mAh. But I would be very surprised if all M10 does not share the same, and even so if the physical dimensions are the same, the connectors and the voltage, the capacity does not really matter. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited July 17, 2020 by mmx_2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/311399-leica-m10-r-review-by-jonathan-slack/?do=findComment&comment=4010395'>More sharing options...
Dr No Posted July 17, 2020 Share #55 Posted July 17, 2020 8 hours ago, bilbrown said: Wouldn't the original M10 be better at low light? I'd love to see ISO 6400 on both to see the difference. But I guess this isnt a comparison, maybe I should do it. Leica are claiming it is being better at low light and dynamics. I have seen one independent review which agrees with this. Sounds like Leica have got it right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted July 17, 2020 Share #56 Posted July 17, 2020 vor 8 Minuten schrieb Dr No: I have seen one independent review which agrees with this. Sounds like Leica have got it right. If You regard me as independant though I was a betatester of the M10-R I can second You. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert c Posted July 17, 2020 Share #57 Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mmx_2 said: The battery in my M10 is at least 1100mAh. But I would be very surprised if all M10 does not share the same, and even so if the physical dimensions are the same, the connectors and the voltage, the capacity does not really matter. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! You're absolutely right! I've checked my batteries also ... all three are the 1100mAh version. So there is obvious some misinformation in the Leica M10|M10P specs pdf file on their website where the batteries are stated as 1300 mAh ... Issue solved 🙂 Edited July 17, 2020 by bert c 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 17, 2020 Share #58 Posted July 17, 2020 vor 1 Stunde schrieb bert c: You're absolutely right! I've checked my batteries also ... all three are the 1100mAh version. So there is obvious some misinformation in the Leica M10|M10P specs pdf file on their website where the batteries are stated as 1300 mAh ... Issue solved 🙂 Still it's a little strange: The M10 and the M10-P say: 1 Lithium-Ionen Akku, Nennspannung 7,4V, Kapazität 1300mAh; maximale/r Ladestrom/-spannung: Gleichstrom 1000mA, 7,4V; Modell-Nr.: BP-SCL5, Hersteller: PT. VARTA Microbattery, Hergestellt in Indonesien, Betriebsbedingungen (in Kamera): 0°C bis +40°C The M10-D and the M10 Monochrom. speak of 1100mAh: It needs a new M10-R camera to notice such a print mistake. 😀 Also the technical sheet : M10-R still writes about the use of SD cards , which sound also a little bit shocking when I realize that I'm using 64GB cards for "ages" . But in the factsheets of the M10 It's also written in a similar way. I think it must be print " copy / paste " mistakes also. : SD-Karten bis 2GB / SDHC-Karten bis 32GB / SDXC-Karten bis 2TB. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted July 17, 2020 Share #59 Posted July 17, 2020 The original problem with vignetting (light falloff) and colour shift towards the corners when using wideangles designed for rangefinders was, if I remember correctly, solved in the M8. The solution was based on a design where microlenses nearer the edge of the sensor are shifted towards the center to allow for light rays coming in at a very small angle to "hit" the right pixel. It is quite possible that the more efficient use of sensor area for catching light in the M10-R makes it harder to implement this microlens design, consequently causing more vignetting. It would be interesting to know if there is also more inherent colour shift in the corners that is compensated for by in-camera software and thus not visible in the DNG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted July 17, 2020 Share #60 Posted July 17, 2020 in many cameras in the move to higher MegaPixel I find myself to shoot at 1/250 min shutter speed until IBIS came along . Can anybody comment how it will be got M10R and M10M with no IBIS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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