39mm filters for collapsible lens

[Pyrogallol]

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2 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

The Canon 35/2.8 LTM lens has a very good reputation and if my 50/1.8 LTM Serenar is anything to go by, excellent optics as well (at least as good, if not slightly better than my contemporaneous rigid Summicron). The earlier all chrome version is smaller than the later black barrel ones. The later lenses also have something of a reputation for fogging of the rear element, which is in the glass and not usually cleanable. Apparently the earlier all chrome lenses used a different glass which does not suffer this problem. I would still get an agreement with the seller that a lens can be returned if there is any fogging present if buying any Canon LTM lens, given that these are all over 60 years old. The Canon 35/2.8 fetches around a third of the cost of a 2.8/35 Summaron. Unlike the Russians lenses, Canon LTM lenses focus correctly on Leica bodies. The other upside compared with Leica lenses, is that the Canon coating is far more robust than the soft "drip" coating that Leica used up to the early 1960's. 

Wilson

I have the Canon 35mm f2.8 and it is sharp. My Leica repair man said it was as good as the contemporary Summicron when he serviced it.

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4 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

The Canon 35/2.8 LTM lens has a very good reputation and if my 50/1.8 LTM Serenar is anything to go by, excellent optics as well (at least as good, if not slightly better than my contemporaneous rigid Summicron). The earlier all chrome version is smaller than the later black barrel ones. The later lenses also have something of a reputation for fogging of the rear element, which is in the glass and not usually cleanable. Apparently the earlier all chrome lenses used a different glass which does not suffer this problem. I would still get an agreement with the seller that a lens can be returned if there is any fogging present if buying any Canon LTM lens, given that these are all over 60 years old. The Canon 35/2.8 fetches around a third of the cost of a 2.8/35 Summaron. Unlike the Russians lenses, Canon LTM lenses focus correctly on Leica bodies. The other upside compared with Leica lenses, is that the Canon coating is far more robust than the soft "drip" coating that Leica used up to the early 1960's. 

Wilson

I have later, but not fogged 50 1.8 LTM. I think it is not Serenar. I can't see any Canon lens to be in the same league with Leitz starting from collapsible Cron. But they are very good lenses for build, self-servicing. 

Also, to keep truth here, FSU lenses focusing very correct on Leica. Some have no requirements to do so at all, some are needed shimming, which is DIY.

In fact, I rather get Orion-15 again instead of overpaying for Canon, Leitz, Leica. This is how good this lens is. I also enjoy self-serviced Jupiter-12 and Jupiter-3. Clean optics, silk smooth to focus. My last Summicron 50 after I have tried, sold them all is also for sale now. If I ever get another Leica 50 lens, it would be Elmat-M 50 2.8.

FSU optics are superior comparing to old Canon and Leitz. It is not hazing, fungus resistant and not separating.

 

[nefarious]

On 3/18/2020 at 9:02 PM, mnutzer said:

If you perhaps think to buy Leica items near to the material price, you'd better switch to a different brand.

 

I don't think I ever suggested that

[nefarious]

I just wanted to say thanks for all the helpful advice and provide an update. On the subject of 35mm lenses, in the end I went for a lovely little 1952 Summaron f/3.5. it's very much in keeping with my iiif. Here's a quick, poor quality pic of it in situ...

I just got my first film using this lens back from the lab and I am delighted. I don't shoot much colour but had some Portra 160 that I wanted to try in this camera and here are a few results:

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[TomB_tx]

I bought a 35 Summaron when I bought a IIIf in 1969, and carried and used both while in the army. Nice pocket-sized combo. I never used a 35 finder, just visualized based on the 50 VF. 
I went back to my M4 and Summicron when discharged, and stashed the IIIf & Summaron for several decades. Then found the Summaron quite hazy. After a good CLA it has been great on my various III bodies.

[Stacey]

On 3/20/2020 at 8:19 AM, wlaidlaw said:

Canon also did f1.8 and f1.4 versions of their 35mm LTM  lens. I am told the 1.4 version is a bit soft at larger apertures but the 1.8 has a good reputation. The 1.4 tends to be expensive also. 

Wilson

I have a black 35mm f2 canon lens and it's -really- good. The only real hassle is the weird 40mm filter size canon used.

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2 hours ago, Stacey said:

I have a black 35mm f2 canon lens and it's -really- good. The only real hassle is the weird 40mm filter size canon used.

I have used a Fuji X10 copy (LH-JX10) hood - has a 40mm thread then internally (hood screws apart) has a 52mm thread for filters - very neat IMHO

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8 hours ago, Stacey said:

I have a black 35mm f2 canon lens and it's -really- good. The only real hassle is the weird 40mm filter size canon used.

On the bay you can buy a 40mm to 40.5mm adaptor so that you can use common 40.5mm filters and hoods.

[willeica]

Slightly off topic, but readers might be interested in this 'origin of the species' example. I used something like this for the Cokin filters which were all the rage in the 1980s (not on a Leica), some 60 years after this example. Has anyone else here ever used a VERAX filter like this one from the late 1920s?

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Interesting and flexible filter system; can you send pictures of it unmounted? Where was it made and when?

[willeica]

VERAX filters were made by Unger and Hoffman in Dresden, which was the heart of the German photographic industry for many years. There are many photos and links on this showing.the filters and the spring clips that hold them on. 

https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&rls=en&sxsrf=ALeKk01OjVO8uuT3js-t7DwK1X11w7F_FA:1586593186550&q=VERAX+Filters&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=safari&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiP8aWa-N_oAhVuTxUIHR6hD_8QsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=2275&bih=1169

I got this as part of a kit that came in my example of the earliest Leica hard outfit case, the ETGAM. I only have this as a collector's item. I never use a filter on any lens unless it got stuck on the lens by a previous owner. My VERAX example was from around 1929 or 1930, probably slightly pre-dating the ETGAM which was from 1930 or 1931.

William

Edited April 11, 2020 by willeica

[wlaidlaw]

I was using the opportunity of being housebound, to do a way overdue clear-out and tidy up of my photographic equipment. I am going to totally dispose of things I am never going to need or have any interest in, like a very steam punk looking Robot microscope attachment and a corroded nickel plated portable developing tank for 6 x 9cm plates. However I was looking in box of various miscellaneous Leitz bits acquired at photo fairs and auctions. I found a brown box ,which I first assumed contained a random sized filter but in reality, I had never opened it to look. In fact I have actually no idea where it came from and it might possibly be something left over from my grandfather or great uncle. Imagine then my surprise and pleasure when I opened it and found this.......

Wilson

 

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3 hours ago, wlaidlaw said:

I was using the opportunity of being housebound, to do a way overdue clear-out and tidy up of my photographic equipment. I am going to totally dispose of things I am never going to need or have any interest in, like a very steam punk looking Robot microscope attachment and a corroded nickel plated portable developing tank for 6 x 9cm plates. However I was looking in box of various miscellaneous Leitz bits acquired at photo fairs and auctions. I found a brown box ,which I first assumed contained a random sized filter but in reality, I had never opened it to look. In fact I have actually no idea where it came from and it might possibly be something left over from my grandfather or great uncle. Imagine then my surprise and pleasure when I opened it and found this.......

Wilson

Hold onto that one, Wilson. I was often tempted to buy the full boxed kit, but never took the plunge. My single filter plus holder came as an 'extra' in a I Model C plus ETGAM hard case outfit.

William