Donzo98 Posted January 23, 2020 Share #61 Posted January 23, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 hours ago, Chaemono said: Tempted, Don? 😁 Always... but damn happy with the S1 honestly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 Hi Donzo98, Take a look here Leica Apo-Summicron-SL2.0/35mm - average performer?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Fedro Posted January 23, 2020 Share #62 Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, wizard said: If you ever have a chance to meet him, you will understand that he is not the type of person who bloats statements just to make his company look good. Rather, he knows what he can do (and Leica lets him do a lot of things) and is proud of a result when there is a reason to be proud. Conversely, he would simply say nothing on the performance of a lens if that lenses' performance is subpar, as there is nobody within Leica forcing him to say anything on any given lens. Coming to think of it, he would most likely not want to have his name associated with any lens having subpar performance, and would therefore advocate against any such lens. Sure. I think you took this a little too seriously. Thanks Snooper for sharing the great gift of mixing sacred with profane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 23, 2020 Share #63 Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Fedro said: Thanks Snooper for sharing the great gift of mixing sacred with profane I won't be able to tell what is sacred and what is profane, even though I have a personal opinion on the matter 😁 But need to confess I've got sacred stuff also with the SL-75, even with APO M-50, etc.. Unlike @benqui and @Louis, I'm not allowed to post 🙁 Edited January 23, 2020 by snooper 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted January 23, 2020 Share #64 Posted January 23, 2020 SL2 and the 35 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305622-leica-apo-summicron-sl2035mm-average-performer/?do=findComment&comment=3897910'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2020 Share #65 Posted January 23, 2020 7 hours ago, caissa said: The pics here are nice, but resolution is terrible. No way to prove anything here. I believe only numbers that can be repeated. DXO is not on my list of trustworthy websites, rather of BS websites. But this is only a personal opinion (based on many years of careful observation.) How many lenses did they test ? On how many cameras ? (And why not on the SL2 ?) I would rather trust lensrentals. If they say that it is an average lens, then I would know that they tested a range of them and could present all these results. Not just a single one, which is always prone to hazard. (It's simply not scientifically correct to take a single sample, but dxo does a lot of errors of this type, without ever correcting themselves. Even typos tend to stay on their pages for years. Look at camera specs, they are often wrong in details.) Personally again, if I would like a lens, then the results could be subterrestrially bad, I would simple not care. 2480 pixels wide not good enough for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2020 Share #66 Posted January 23, 2020 Why is everybody so nasty about DXO, the site that enriched us by inventing the PERCEPTUAL MEGAPIXEL ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow Posted January 23, 2020 Share #67 Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 35mm is not my preferred focal lengths. However, in case folks who bought the 35 cron SL are now getting nervous about not owning the best lens .... I might pic up one of those unwanted gems, like in the case of the 50 Lux SL. Bring them on 😎 Edited January 23, 2020 by Arrow 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 23, 2020 Share #68 Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Well as far as I can see the overrall 'score' of 'goodness' depends entirely of the weighting of the 5 arbitrary parameters that DXO have chosen to assess lens quality by. A lens may be stonkingly sharp at f5.6 but crap at other apertures .... so quite how you score that as 'good' sharpness beats me. The whole point of the SL 35/2 is that it is almost optically perfect from f2 .... and is designed with the same high focal plane contrast and rapid drop off that show more pronounced subject modelling than other lenses not in the same SL stable. The MTF's are pretty well flat throughout. Colour rendition is perfect. AF is fast and accurate. It's built like a tank. I'd hesitate to say that any of DXO's test results are wrong ..... but their interpretation of what makes a 'good' lens seems to differ from the criteria Leica use. I know who I would rather believe. Edited January 23, 2020 by thighslapper 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 24, 2020 Share #69 Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, thighslapper said: Well as far as I can see the overrall 'score' of 'goodness' depends entirely of the weighting of the 5 arbitrary parameters that DXO have chosen to assess lens quality by. A lens may be stonkingly sharp at f5.6 but crap at other apertures .... so quite how you score that as 'good' sharpness beats me. The whole point of the SL 35/2 is that it is almost optically perfect from f2 .... and is designed with the same high focal plane contrast and rapid drop off that show more pronounced subject modelling than other lenses not in the same SL stable. The MTF's are pretty well flat throughout. Colour rendition is perfect. AF is fast and accurate. It's built like a tank. I'd hesitate to say that any of DXO's test results are wrong ..... but their interpretation of what makes a 'good' lens seems to differ from the criteria Leica use. I know who I would rather believe. Well for a lot of landscape photographers, performance in the F2-F4 range doesn't really add much to their photography. Even if the 35SL has the best wide-open performance on the planet, if it's performance in the F5.6-F8 range is good to average, it doesn't warrant the high price tag for folks that always shoot in that range. It's good to have different interpretations and criteria by independent testers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted January 24, 2020 Share #70 Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr.Q said: Well for a lot of landscape photographers, performance in the F2-F4 range doesn't really add much to their photography. Even if the 35SL has the best wide-open performance on the planet, if it's performance in the F5.6-F8 range is good to average, it doesn't warrant the high price tag for folks that always shoot in that range. It's good to have different interpretations and criteria by independent testers. And that is where the 16-35 comes into play. A fantastic performer for the landscape photographer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 24, 2020 Share #71 Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, jplomley said: And that is where the 16-35 comes into play. A fantastic performer for the landscape photographer That's for a different discussion though. Me personally, I'm sticking with my 35 FLE for travel/low light and 24-90 for landscapes. The 35 SL no longer appeals to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted January 24, 2020 Share #72 Posted January 24, 2020 Half my travels in Romania last year were met with heavy rain and just miserable weather. At the time I had my SL with L75 APO and a pair of M10's which never came out of the Billingham when the weather was that bad. My 35 FLE was just dead weight under those conditions. Had the 35 APO been available at the time, this and the 75 would have been the workhorses for that 3 week trip throughout the country. 16-35 for street and travel, forget it, too heavy and too slow. Did not even bother taking it. Return trip will be with the SL + 35/75 APO's and one M10 with 21 SEM, 28 Cron v2 and 50 Lux Asph. Once the 21/2 APO comes out for the SL, the 21 SEM will be gone, simply too slow. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted January 24, 2020 Share #73 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Arrow said: 35mm is not my preferred focal lengths. However, in case folks who bought the 35 cron SL are now getting nervous about not owning the best lens .... I might pic up one of those unwanted gems, like in the case of the 50 Lux SL. Bring them on 😎 hmmmm, its the best lens I've ever used and owned, so i'm not selling, no way just waiting on the 24 now Edited January 24, 2020 by hillavoider Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 24, 2020 Share #74 Posted January 24, 2020 3 hours ago, jplomley said: Half my travels in Romania last year were met with heavy rain and just miserable weather. At the time I had my SL with L75 APO and a pair of M10's which never came out of the Billingham when the weather was that bad. My 35 FLE was just dead weight under those conditions. Had the 35 APO been available at the time, this and the 75 would have been the workhorses for that 3 week trip throughout the country. 16-35 for street and travel, forget it, too heavy and too slow. Did not even bother taking it. Return trip will be with the SL + 35/75 APO's and one M10 with 21 SEM, 28 Cron v2 and 50 Lux Asph. Once the 21/2 APO comes out for the SL, the 21 SEM will be gone, simply too slow. In miserable weather, I prefer zooms. I'd rather not trouble myself swapping lenses out in the rain. Or I'd probably just take my Q2. Never had luck getting good photos in bad weather anyway. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfunnell Posted January 24, 2020 Share #75 Posted January 24, 2020 I've always been delighted with the performance of the SL2 and SL-Summicron 35 APO and SL-Summicron 75 APO. Couldn't be happier with the results. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 24, 2020 Share #76 Posted January 24, 2020 vor 12 Stunden schrieb Donzo98: Always... but damn happy with the S1 honestly You know you’re deluding yourself because you’re not shooting moving subjects in low-light, high contrast scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 24, 2020 Share #77 Posted January 24, 2020 vor 13 Stunden schrieb snooper: Well.. No matter what DxO says, I like the SL-35 mounted on a SL2, at siesta time 😁 If folks at DxOMark had access to these type of test subjects, all the lenses would score 100. 😁 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 24, 2020 Share #78 Posted January 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Mr.Q said: Well for a lot of landscape photographers, performance in the F2-F4 range doesn't really add much to their photography. Even if the 35SL has the best wide-open performance on the planet, if it's performance in the F5.6-F8 range is good to average, it doesn't warrant the high price tag for folks that always shoot in that range. It's good to have different interpretations and criteria by independent testers. Which only means that such an aggregate score is completely meaningless, and as DXO does not reveal their methods of scoring and criteria, the only place to put the final figure is the rubbish bin. To quote Roger Cicala on this: Quote Well, if you assume internal consistency, that would be true. But really, it would be more like "we combine EPA gas mileage, 0-60 times, curb weight, luggage space, cornering ability, subjective attractiveness, and seat comfort as measured by our ideal ass size" and rate this car a 92, so it's the car you should buy. Even if it's valid, are many people really interested in that ideal combination of cornering ability and luggage space? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted January 24, 2020 Share #79 Posted January 24, 2020 From those that actually own the lens and have used it extensively, is there any negative feedback to report? Did it meet or exceed your expectations? Or did the lens not perform as anticipated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 24, 2020 Share #80 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) I have owned the SL 35 SC for about half a year. It's fantastic. You can find many of my shots on this forum, as they re hosted on Flickr the originals or slightly reduced originals are available. I tend to use it between f/2 and f/4. Edited January 24, 2020 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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