Ivar B Posted January 22, 2020 Share #1 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Normally I have found the lens tests of dxomark to be well carried out and trustworthy. However, the Apo-Summicron-SL 2.0/35 is not up there among the best: https://www.dxomark.com/leica-apo-summicron-sl-35mm-f2-asph-lens-review/ A Sigma Art 1.4/35mm at 15 % of the cost receives a higher score. The Leica lens is tested on the Panasonic S1R. Can this make such a large difference? Edited January 22, 2020 by Ivar B spelling error Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 Hi Ivar B, Take a look here Leica Apo-Summicron-SL2.0/35mm - average performer?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Daniel81 Posted January 22, 2020 Share #2 Posted January 22, 2020 Especially when the Leica Lens Guru declared in a recent interview it is the best lens ever made. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted January 22, 2020 Share #3 Posted January 22, 2020 I have both the 75 APO and 35 APO SL lenses and they are both class leading. My 35 Lux FLE is easily beaten by the 35 APO in resolution, corner performance and bokeh at similar apertures. No complaints with the 35 APO at all. I really can’t see anywhere for performance improvements, unlike several of my M lenses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 22, 2020 Share #4 Posted January 22, 2020 DXOMark results often do not correspond to experience from users and testers. Please disregard. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 22, 2020 Share #5 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) Sorry to be nasty, but the results I have seen here from that lens made with an SL or 2 made me wonder what the hype is about. I would not buy it for sure. It surely does not surpass the APO-Telyt 280/4.0 R. Karbe also said in the above indicated interview that the MTF’s are not measured but calculated. That makes it perfectly possible that it is theoretically the best lens ever made and would not contradict the measurements of DxO in itself. Between theory and result lies a production process Edited January 22, 2020 by otto.f Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 22, 2020 Share #6 Posted January 22, 2020 vor 49 Minuten schrieb otto.f: Sorry to be nasty, but the results I have seen here from that lens made with an SL or 2 made me wonder what the hype is about. [...] You don't like Jono's pictures with it here: http://www.slack.co.uk/35-summicron-sl.html, or here: https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/3625bdac35364f50bb0abc86e18b3e37? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 22, 2020 Share #7 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, Chaemono said: don't like Jono's Well, I am not impressed indeed. Watch out, the first photo’s there are from the 75. Very nice and proper focus. The Chinese woman in the kitchen and the dog that follows: I get an itch in my eyes on where the focus exactly lies in these images. The second link: the dogs on a path in the wood with backlight: where is the focus then? And this is what I mostly have with this lens Edited January 22, 2020 by otto.f Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2020 Share #8 Posted January 22, 2020 Looks like it was tested on the Panasonic body, which might explain the results...but I will add, I have used a lot of lenses and nothing I have used compares with the 35mm SL Summicron. Take the test with a grain of salt...unless you have tried the lens, don't make a judgement based on someone else's images. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 22, 2020 Share #9 Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, digitalfx said: Looks like it was tested on the Panasonic body, which might explain the results...but I will add, I have used a lot of lenses and nothing I have used compares with the 35mm SL Summicron. Take the test with a grain of salt...unless you have tried the lens, don't make a judgement based on someone else's images. Leica’s lenses are too expensive for that. Buy it and see where it starts or ends, come on Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2020 Share #10 Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, otto.f said: Buy it and see where it starts or ends, come on Im not sure what that means. 5 minutes ago, otto.f said: The Chinese woman in the kitchen and the dog that follows: I get an itch in my eyes on where the focus exactly lies in these images. The second link: the dogs on a path in the wood with backlight: where is the focus then? And this is what I mostly have with this lens Isn't this a subjective opinion based on a photographers decision? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2020 Share #11 Posted January 22, 2020 Its interesting that each lens is tested on its native camera except the Leica...but odd that the Canon lenses score higher. I own both tested Canon lenses and have to say, they aren't in the same league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 22, 2020 Share #12 Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, digitalfx said: aren't in the same league. In favor of ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 22, 2020 Share #13 Posted January 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, digitalfx said: Im not sure what that means. Most, if not all, lenses presented here, from Thambar, via Noctiluxes to APO Summicron 50 M can all be judged reasonably well by their images posted here. That would not be the case with with this 35 SL? 17 minutes ago, digitalfx said: photographers decision? With AF... Do you believe that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rim_light Posted January 22, 2020 Share #14 Posted January 22, 2020 I took pictures with the best cameras of several brands with their 35mm lenses over the past years. And I had my favorite with the 35lux for the M until I took my first pictures with the SL35. This lens is the best 35mm I ever had in my fingers. Sharpness and 3d pop is out of this world. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 22, 2020 Share #15 Posted January 22, 2020 I shot a butterfly once with APO 35 Summicron-SL wide open and this lens resolved so much detail that the image left a screen burn-in on my laptop display. Here's a less compressed JPEG of it: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-jBcNwJ/. WARNING! Open with caution. Can cause screen burn-in on less than 16 inch MacBook Pro displays. 😂 DNG download link here (😁) https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g111061273-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=uXD8CA5jPtR3PDlJXsGaLr7fihWaRrmpOg6qZi_yXp4= And the LUF image. Focus is on the nearest eye to the camera, obviously. SL2 + APO 35 Summicron-SL wide open Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO ISO 100 f/2 @1/125 sec. 7 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO ISO 100 f/2 @1/125 sec. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305622-leica-apo-summicron-sl2035mm-average-performer/?do=findComment&comment=3897177'>More sharing options...
Rob L Posted January 22, 2020 Share #16 Posted January 22, 2020 I put no stock in this, when I see the rating for the Sony 35 1.4 at the top of the list. The Sony has a beautiful rendering, but is not a sharp lens! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 22, 2020 Share #17 Posted January 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, otto.f said: Most, if not all, lenses presented here, from Thambar, via Noctiluxes to APO Summicron 50 M can all be judged reasonably well by their images posted here. That would not be the case with with this 35 SL? With AF... Do you believe that? RE: your first comment, obviously this is purely subjective. If you don't like the lens, I cant argue with that. RE: AF Are we discussing the AF on the lens or the image quality? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted January 22, 2020 Share #18 Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 22, 2020 by jplomley 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305622-leica-apo-summicron-sl2035mm-average-performer/?do=findComment&comment=3897347'>More sharing options...
jplomley Posted January 22, 2020 Share #19 Posted January 22, 2020 Above image at 1/60th at f/2...will post a 100% crop Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted January 22, 2020 Share #20 Posted January 22, 2020 S1, 35 SL @ F2, 1/30th, ISO 1000 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305622-leica-apo-summicron-sl2035mm-average-performer/?do=findComment&comment=3897352'>More sharing options...
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