anyone thinking of upgrade from CL to SL2?

[jaapv]

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9 minutes ago, jankap said:

The APS-C sensor is half fullframe. That means one uses only half of the capacity of an M-lens. 

Your Super Elmar 21mm lens is a 30mm only. 

 

Did the lens suddenly change its optics when you put it on the camera? A 21 mm lens is a 21 mm lens - always.

The only thing that is different is frame of the resulting image.

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[jankap]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb rob_w:

I seem to be the only person on the forum troubled by EVF lag.  With my CL, I often capture a photo just after the intended image, e.g. as the subject is starting to blink, or look away, or whatever.  This never happened with the OVF of the M series and is a reason I, for one, would remain conservative in my choice of future M cameras.

Does the EVF of the CL really have so long delay? Perhaps you are diverted by the extra information the EVF delivers: picture count, etc.

[jankap]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

 

Did the lens suddenly change its optics when you put it on the camera? A 21 mm lens is a 21 mm lens - always.

 

Ha ha, Witzbold. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by jankap

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2 hours ago, rob_w said:

I seem to be the only person on the forum troubled by EVF lag.  With my CL, I often capture a photo just after the intended image, e.g. as the subject is starting to blink, or look away, or whatever. 

Auto Review is the culprit perhaps. Did you try to set it to "off"?

[sblitz]

3 hours ago, jankap said:

The APS-C sensor is half fullframe. That means one uses only half of the capacity of an M-lens. 

Your Super Elmar 21mm lens is a 30mm only. 

I admit this is a pain but it works to advantage when trying to go long. But in the end the picture is what matters and quality seems unaffected by the cropping. 

[otto.f]

4 hours ago, jaapv said:

 

Did the lens suddenly change its optics when you put it on the camera? A 21 mm lens is a 21 mm lens - always.

The only thing that is different is frame of the resulting image.

 

4 hours ago, jankap said:

Ha ha, Witzbold. 

This has more relevance than a joke, oblique lines because of perspective are those of a 21mm and thus more oblique than from a 30mm on FF. 

[jaapv]

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36 minutes ago, otto.f said:

 

This has more relevance than a joke, oblique lines because of perspective are those of a 21mm and thus more oblique than from a 30mm on FF. 

Not quite. Perspective is determined by subject distance, not by focal length. The effect you describe is caused by the need to get closer to the subject to keep the subject size the same relative to the framing. 

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17 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Not quite. Perspective is determined by subject distance, not by focal length. The effect you describe is caused by the need to get closer to the subject to keep the subject size the same relative to the framing. 

+1

[otto.f]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Not quite. Perspective is determined by subject distance, not by focal length. The effect you describe is caused by the need to get closer to the subject to keep the subject size the same relative to the framing. 

I agree about the cause, the effect however remains very oblique. Here I have two images of a building in Noto, Sicily with the SEM 18mm. FF:

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And cropped about 2/3:

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I can't imagine that a 30mm on FF gives this strong perspective lines.

[otto.f]

Here's a capture with a 28mm, albeit from a slightly different angle, but not much closer: significantly less dramatic

 

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[jaapv]

Actually,  I think these images prove my point... Just look at how much further away the building seems to be in the last image With a 28, it should be much more tightly framed than with an 18. You zoomed with your feet  

If you had taken the image from exactly the same point with your camera at the same angle and  cropped, the images would be identical

[Jeff S]

1 minute ago, jaapv said:

If you had taken the image from exactly the same point with your camera at the same angle and  cropped, the images would be identical

Exactly.  Proper tests are easily researched.  Unfortunately, misinformation is also abundant.

Jeff

 

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1 hour ago, jaapv said:

You zoomed with your feet  

+1

[jankap]

Sorry, but that is not correct. Zooming with your feet is not the same as changing the distance to the subject. 

Compare a 21mm picture and a 200mm with the same outline. The 200mm works flatter in the picture.

Think of taking of a picture of your wife/husband.

[Le Chef]

You're mixing issues here. Field of view is what's being discussed not depth of field or compression. 

[jaapv]

17 minutes ago, jankap said:

Sorry, but that is not correct. Zooming with your feet is not the same as changing the distance to the subject. 

Compare a 21mm picture and a 200mm with the same outline. The 200mm works flatter in the picture.

Think of taking of a picture of your wife/husband.

Zooming with feet IS changing the subject distance...

The 200 mm works flatter because you are further away, changing the perspective.

[otto.f]

This discussion has been done in this forum several times. Thanks for the viewpoints, I’ll think it over. 

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[jaapv]

Yes. Misconceptions thrive with this subject..

[rob_w]

On 11/15/2019 at 9:08 AM, jankap said:

Does the EVF of the CL really have so long delay? Perhaps you are diverted by the extra information the EVF delivers: picture count, etc.

To my perception the CL is quite fast.  So I would not call it a "long delay".  In practice I get a higher proportion of 'just after' shots as I explained, and that never used to happen with the OVF of the M.  Sean Reid of Reid Reviews has commented on the same issue with EVFs so I am not completely alone.

In terms of this thread, it may happen just as much with the SL2 for all I know.  The CL is the only EVF camera I have used extensively.