leica sl2 Leica SL2 reviews

[sillbeers15]

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2 minutes ago, Mr.Q said:

I understand. The AF performance is due to improve a bit via firmware so your concerns and not as sober as mine.... the weight is not going to change any time soon.

I think the weight is a tall order for Leica as even the M and M lenses are compact, the digital M are no lightweight. Not to mention the bulk and weight of SL native lenses.

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[thighslapper]

2 hours ago, Mr.Q said:

No grounds? How about real-world evidence that all the fastest focusing cameras come with PDAF? What more evidence do you need?

You are the one talking about Leica breaking new grounds here, not me.

The question is not 'what is best' but whether the various forms of AF offered in the SL2 are adequate and reliable in 'normal' usage. All AF systems will fail under certain circumstances. 

If it works I am completely disinterested in where it lies in the AF rankings. 

I shoot mostly landscape, travel and architectural interiors, so I am more interested in accuracy than speed anyway. 

[Mr.Q]

31 minutes ago, thighslapper said:

The question is not 'what is best' but whether the various forms of AF offered in the SL2 are adequate and reliable in 'normal' usage. All AF systems will fail under certain circumstances. 

If it works I am completely disinterested in where it lies in the AF rankings. 

I shoot mostly landscape, travel and architectural interiors, so I am more interested in accuracy than speed anyway. 

Thanks, but this argument has been settled already.

[nicci78]

What you should know is that SL2 AF system is the easiest one to set up and to custom to your needs. 

Not the fastest ? It is more than fast enough. It is not made for über fast action. 
For long lenses, on sensor PDAF is not good enough.  Stick with big DSLR  such as D5 or 1DX III. Their dedicated PDAF sensor are more suitable to read long distance difference. It is just a pure physical limitation of on sensor PDAF  

And that’s why A9 will not replace Canon or Nikon in sport events. 

 

[caissa]

The reviewers are a mixed bunch. They have their own preferences. So I would never blindly trust them. All too often their reviews are full of errors or at least small misunderstndings. So in the end only my personal impression counts. And at the moment it is not possible to get this, as the SL2 is not available, yet.
The reviewers also often have a blind eye on certain points. In most reviews it is never mentioned that the Sony cameras (the existing ones) do have problems when their buffer is full, not even the menu settings can then be changed anymore, what a nuisance. The camera is almost frozen (for a certain time, maybe half  minute or a minute). This can be a costly minute.   This was there over several generations of alpha cameras, maybe it will disappear with the latest models as buffers get bigger ....

Edited November 8, 2019 by caissa

[Mr.Q]

3 hours ago, nicci78 said:

What you should know is that SL2 AF system is the easiest one to set up and to custom to your needs. 

Not the fastest ? It is more than fast enough. It is not made for über fast action. 
For long lenses, on sensor PDAF is not good enough.  Stick with big DSLR  such as D5 or 1DX III. Their dedicated PDAF sensor are more suitable to read long distance difference. It is just a pure physical limitation of on sensor PDAF  

And that’s why A9 will not replace Canon or Nikon in sport events. 

 

The A9 outperforms both the D5 and 1DX III in BIF tracking. This has been beaten to death. Not to mention the distinct advantages like 20 fps, no-blackout EVF, no shutter or mirror vibration, and full coverage AF.  There's a reason why the A9 was, and still is, regarded as a game-changer. I haven't shot with the mechanical shutter for a while now.

[RoySmith]

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[Dantist]

Hi all !

Went back in Paris Photo Salon to have the SL2 in hands, once more.

Overall, I turned sceptimysthic...

Could compare on place the size of the sensors with the M10P just beside on demo. Same size, but very slightly smaller for the SL2. That essential point needs further and deeper inquiries, isn't it ?

I can't understand the need of the button to place the focusing point. This feature is a nonsense, so much easier to fix the focus on the center of the EVF as unmovable by the electronic control ! Instead, looking for buttons with my fingers, I was quick to move this little square frame in the edge of the EVF... Very bad, imo. Among the fact that the EVF turns quick to black in the dark zones, with a serious lack of details.

Beside these few disturbances, had a test with the 90 and 50 mm lenses. Perfect results. Tones seem highly respected, all pairs of eyes are different (specially when they turn old) so I won't put a mess on it. The weight of the lenses doesn't ask so much to hold the camera in two hands, but it's a feeling that can be discussed... A ring already exists to put M lenses on SL2 body camera, despite the different systems of diaphragms.

And once again, I really don't like the square angles of the camera body.

Cheers.

 

Edited November 9, 2019 by Dantist

[hoppyman]

On 11/7/2019 at 7:20 AM, Likaleica said:

Strange that DP review said that the SL power grip works on the SL2 but the baseplate definitely has a different configuration, subtle but different.  I think they were wrong because if it did the the RRS plate would also work.

It will be interesting to hear from the first user with an SL2 and the existing RRS plate and L bracketWith the baseplate a lower cost part of the combination from RRS, if the baseplate does change we might be lucky to be able to use the existing  L bracket

[wellfleet]

23 minutes ago, hoppyman said:

It will be interesting to hear from the first user with an SL2 and the existing RRS plate and L bracketWith the baseplate a lower cost part of the combination from RRS, if the baseplate does change we might be lucky to be able to use the existing  L bracket

Likalieca has already said that it won't work. See #16  https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303171-leica-sl2-reviews/

[hoppyman]

On 11/7/2019 at 7:20 AM, Likaleica said:

Strange that DP review said that the SL power grip works on the SL2 but the baseplate definitely has a different configuration, subtle but different.  I think they were wrong because if it did the the RRS plate would also work.

Wellfleet yes, but I have seen conflicting comments on that so far. If the baseplate is incompatible it would help if the existing L bracket fits the new baseplate. The existing L bracket costs more than the existing baseplate.

Edited November 9, 2019 by hoppyman

[Chaemono]

 

[MarkP]

24 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

 

What accessory handgrip is he using attached to the bottom of the camera? Can be seen briefly from underneath at 1:21.

Note 1:42 and 2:40.  Very unusual technique with his right hand holding the accessory handgrip, his left hand over the top of the camera, left thumb around the back of the camera, and reaching across to the shutter release with his middle finger. 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2019 by MarkP

[Chaemono]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb MarkP:

What handgrip is he using attached to the bottom of the camera? Can be seen briefly from underneath at 1:21.

It looks custom made to me.

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[Gelatino]

Steve Mc Curry's right hand is not fully functional: he can't properly flex  fingers and wrist. See @ 2.40, 2.54, 3.12. This does not impede him click at the right instant.

The handle looks like the Hassy one, but seems more self adapted. Anyway it adds some extra weight to the combo.

[thighslapper]

Petapixel ..... grudgingly complimentary ....

https://petapixel.com/2019/11/06/you-probably-dont-care-about-the-leica-sl2-and-youre-worse-off-for-it/

 

 

[scott kirkpatrick]

43 minutes ago, thighslapper said:

Petapixel ..... grudgingly complimentary ....

https://petapixel.com/2019/11/06/you-probably-dont-care-about-the-leica-sl2-and-youre-worse-off-for-it/

It's the same guy who wrote a positive review over on imaging-review.  He clears up some points -- his specific concerns sound (to me) like within range of firmware fixes, e.g. blurring of the image during fast continuous AF.  And he excuses Leica putting out embarrassing luxury specials because he thinks that is the only way that the firm survives.  I don't know who told him that, but I have always thought that the luxury editions were a way of stretching the product cycles...

Petapixel has a comment section.  Pretty rowdy and not particularly informative.

Edited November 10, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick

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[sillbeers15]

5 hours ago, MarkP said:

What accessory handgrip is he using attached to the bottom of the camera? Can be seen briefly from underneath at 1:21.

Note 1:42 and 2:40.  Very unusual technique with his right hand holding the accessory handgrip, his left hand over the top of the camera, left thumb around the back of the camera, and reaching across to the shutter release with his middle finger. 

 

 

Due to personal reasons I suppose. When I stick out my hand to shake his, he would reach out with his left hand instead.

[caissa]

7 hours ago, MarkP said:

What accessory handgrip is he using attached to the bottom of the camera? Can be seen briefly from underneath at 1:21.

Note 1:42 and 2:40.  Very unusual technique with his right hand holding the accessory handgrip, his left hand over the top of the camera, left thumb around the back of the camera, and reaching across to the shutter release with his middle finger. 

I was surprised how he handles the camera. With the Sigma fp there is also a handgrip accessory that could maybe be used in this way. The base-grip BG-11 . It looks very stable to hold the camera that way. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by caissa