jdlaing Posted June 15, 2019 Share #41 Posted June 15, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) And regarding flare............if you shoot into a light source you deserve what you get. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted June 15, 2019 Share #42 Posted June 15, 2019 Shooting into light sources is only a part of the problem. Reflections are an issue as well. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/286739-getting-a-mate-pure-gas-or-simply-very-smart/?do=findComment&comment=3760271'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 16, 2019 Share #43 Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, lct said: Shooting into light sources is only a part of the problem. Reflections are an issue as well. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That was exactly my point above when I talked about reflections off the water (#36 above). Edited June 16, 2019 by MarkP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 16, 2019 Share #44 Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) On 6/14/2019 at 11:18 PM, MarkP said: These are obviously not shot from identical POVs as was in moving boat, nor are the exposures identical. However, I consistently lost contrast in the centre of my photographs at 50mm due to veiling flare, but never on the other FLs. Not dissimilar to the veiling flare seen with the early production 50 APO-Summicron-M. M240, MATE @ 28mm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M240, MATE @ 50mm Edited June 16, 2019 by MarkP 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M240, MATE @ 50mm ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/286739-getting-a-mate-pure-gas-or-simply-very-smart/?do=findComment&comment=3760337'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 16, 2019 Share #45 Posted June 16, 2019 M240, MATE @ 35mm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/286739-getting-a-mate-pure-gas-or-simply-very-smart/?do=findComment&comment=3760338'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 16, 2019 Share #46 Posted June 16, 2019 M240, MATE @ 50mm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/286739-getting-a-mate-pure-gas-or-simply-very-smart/?do=findComment&comment=3760339'>More sharing options...
james.liam Posted June 17, 2019 Share #47 Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) On 6/15/2019 at 4:13 PM, jdlaing said: And regarding flare............if you shoot into a light source you deserve what you get. 1++ to what jdlaing says... Zooms (step or continuous) are by nature, compromises. The WATE is an interesting example of this. Yes, it is a more modern design than the MATE and remains in production. Its virtue lies in being a true zoom and providing a 16mm FL where no equivalent fixed focal length Leica M optic exists. Is it the equal of an 18 Elmar of 21 SEM @ ƒ/4? Not even close. But it affords a variety of focal lengths when you need them all and have to pack lightly. And in my experience, the MATE is an irreplaceable lens for use on a Monochrom or film when traveling. Just opt for the improved mechanicals of a late v.2 that's 6-bit coded. Edited June 17, 2019 by james.liam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 17, 2019 Share #48 Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, james.liam said: 1++ to what jdlaing says... And in my experience, the MATE is an irreplaceable lens for use on a Monochrom or film when traveling. Just opt for the improved mechanicals of a late v.2 that's 6-bit coded. But one can't always predict when the lens will flare at 50mm as I demonstrated above. Yes, I agree about it rendering beautifully on the Monochrom and film. Mine too is a coded v2 :-) Edited June 17, 2019 by MarkP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share #49 Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Hi again folks I am so far very very happy about my new MATE. However, one tiny little detail puzzles me a bit. While the frame lines adjust nicely to all three focal lengths, the exif info do show 50mm when 50mm and also 35mm is used. No big deal. But is this normal? Edited June 29, 2019 by Stein K S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 29, 2019 Share #50 Posted June 29, 2019 It should record focal length accurately (if mounted on an M). The 6 bit code identifies the lens, and the frame line selector further relates the selected focal length. Does the correct frame line quickly display as you change focal length? If all else normal, you might have it adjusted if it annoys. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share #51 Posted July 1, 2019 Hi again Jeff and thanks. However, what I have discovered is that this has to do with my ¨old problems¨ of the sticky frame lever on my M10. This has loosened up using fixed focal lengths. But the MATE makes my M10 again malfunction a bit on this both concerning showing the right exif info... and later also bringing the sticky frame lever problem back. I realized this when I mounted the MATE on my old, well run in and trustworthy M9. Works perfect in all ways! I guess it is my M10 that eventually needs a trip to Solms. You all have a nice summer now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiggiGun Posted July 1, 2019 Share #52 Posted July 1, 2019 The MATE is a very good lens. I have the the version which is mechanical and optical OK. The only negative point is flare risk at 50mm. When traveling a good combo for me is 24+MATE+90M For street I take 28+50 or 35 only 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 4, 2019 Share #53 Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) Nice MATE (version II) now for sale at Popflash. Jeff Edited August 4, 2019 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 4, 2019 Share #54 Posted August 4, 2019 https://www.popflash.com/LIC11625JS Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscrew Posted August 4, 2019 Share #55 Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) On 7/21/2018 at 11:20 AM, tri said: Konica 21-35 M-mount anyone? Unlike most original glass, it has steadily appreciated since 2010, costing twice that much now as back then (no singular observation, but sold items on ebay with feed-back = deals). I have both. Bought MATE(v1) as new in 1999 and used it a lot with M6TTL, M7 and M8. It visited once at Leica because vaporized lubricant on lens surface, probably due to use in very hot climate. Or maybe they had used wrong lubricant or too much of it. Service was free though and there has not been any other issues. Then I bought second hand Hexanon Dual 21/35 and it has since been my favourite lens with M8 and nowadays with M10. You can change FL very quickly, it has focus tab and mechanical and optical quality is second to none, better than in MATE. Only drawback is that one needs external viewfinder for 21mm framing, I use Visoflex and sometimes Zeiss T* F21. I’m not gonna sell either one but if I have to, Hexanon Dual is one to keep! Edited August 4, 2019 by airscrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted August 4, 2019 Share #56 Posted August 4, 2019 On 7/21/2018 at 9:20 AM, tri said: Konica 21-35 M-mount anyone? Unlike most original glass, it has steadily appreciated since 2010, costing twice that much now as back then (no singular observation, but sold items on ebay with feed-back = deals). Yes I've had the Dual Hexanon for several years and it's excellent as a wide-angle zoom (and it is a true zoom lens). It has no issues with veiling glare/flare that the MATE regrettably suffers from (at 50 mm). Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted August 4, 2019 Share #57 Posted August 4, 2019 Throwing my 10c in here. I've had a Vers. 1 MATE since 2000, initially used it on my M6 and then M7. It's travelled all over Africa and been to Antarctica with me; the kind of environments you don't want to be changing lenses in. Never given me any grief. I self 6 bit-coded it, FL and framelines come up correctly. It's built like a tank. You just need to take care when changing focal lengths, be gentle. Best, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted August 6, 2019 Share #58 Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) a few years ago a mate came up at my local Leica dealer- and I decided to sell three primes- 28, 35 and 50- and get the mate. I was able to sell those lenses and buy the Mate and put <$1000 back into my pocket. Man- o Man- I am so glad I did. I love the mate- and if you ask me it looks and operates like it was MADE for the black body M digital cameras. What I mean by that is- funcationally- it just seems so right to be able to call up three different focal lengths at will. It makes the M's system seem 'complete'. It is such a versatile lens and having all three focal lengths there at my disposal meant I ended up using 28mm much more than I ever did when I had a 28 prime lens. For me that is a luxury- as I feel the 28mm has a special place in the M system being the one length that employs the superb optical viewfinder to it's full potential. It is now mounted on my camera more than any other lens- which is as it should be considering it is three lenses in one. Personally I would do it all again and never missed the prime lenses I sold (even though they were first rate). In any case- being a lens hoarder I had multiple lenses for each focal length so really lost nothing and gained a lot. Also being forced to work with f4 has the result that I produce a higher rate of well focused images. At times there is a bit of a loss in terms of limitation on shallow depth of field but in general this works more in my favor than against it. so if you are asking me: do it! I would love it if Leica made a new tri-elmar lens- and my personal choice would be 28/50/75 if that was remotely possible... having said that i would never be able to afford it. Edited August 6, 2019 by jaques Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted August 6, 2019 Share #59 Posted August 6, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 11:26 PM, Jeff S said: It should record focal length accurately (if mounted on an M). The 6 bit code identifies the lens, and the frame line selector further relates the selected focal length. Does the correct frame line quickly display as you change focal length? If all else normal, you might have it adjusted if it annoys. Jeff does it? I was under the impression hat there is no linkage that can pass on the frame line information to the camera brain? I thought the camera just 'guessed' somehow as it does with aperture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 6, 2019 Share #60 Posted August 6, 2019 If the MATE is 6 bit coded and you change focal lengths the correct frame lines are shown and the focal length is recorded in the exif and shows when the info button is pressed. If it is not coded the focal length won’t be shown without manually setting the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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