Mistral75 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #101 Posted October 17, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) As (...) I suppose the glass' provider (Hoya or similar) (...) Schott mostly, as far as Leica is concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 17, 2017 Posted October 17, 2017 Hi Mistral75, Take a look here Leica Thambar-M 90mm f/2.2. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Mistral75 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share #102 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) By the way, the US price of the Leica Thambar-M 90mm f/2.2 is $6,495 (very close to the $ conversion of the Japanese price). https://leicastoremiami.com/products/leica-thambar-m-90mm-f-2-2 https://www.leicastoresf.com/259555 The price in the eurozone is €5,950. Edited October 17, 2017 by Mistral75 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted October 17, 2017 Share #103 Posted October 17, 2017 Here is a working link: http://blog.leica-camera.com/2017/10/17/thambar-m-12-290-mm/#comment-286577 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 17, 2017 Share #104 Posted October 17, 2017 Why loving the new Summaron and not the new Thambar? I can only speak for myself but the Summaron-M is a very fine lens that offers an advantage for me over modern ASPH 28mm lenses. It is therefore worth something to me beyond curiosity value. The Thambar, however, is a special effect lens that produces results so far from “normal” that it has no photographic value to me. It looks like a beautifully made object but not something I’d want to pay €5,000 for. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 17, 2017 Share #105 Posted October 17, 2017 I'd love to have one as a portrait lens, but not at this price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 17, 2017 Share #106 Posted October 17, 2017 I'd love to have one as a portrait lens, but not at this price. +1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted October 17, 2017 Share #107 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) OK, now it's been announced, here is my shot of the new Thambar in action with Andreas Kaufmann at the Goodwood Revival a month ago. We chatted about this, much like our several other previous catch ups at Goodwood over the years. But I have always held these private discussions in confidence. much like the way I treat the information from my patients in my day job. S(006) 70S Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 17, 2017 by topoxforddoc 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277324-leica-thambar-m-90mm-f22/?do=findComment&comment=3377430'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 17, 2017 Share #108 Posted October 17, 2017 Why loving the new Summaron and not the new Thambar? I love both... ... but not necessarly I get what I love... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted October 17, 2017 Share #109 Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Why loving the new Summaron and not the new Thambar? That's easy. while the Summaron is expensive, it definitely offers something unique (very small, quick and easy to focus, low distortion) While the choices for vintage-looking portrait lenses are practially endless (and still expanding). Yes, the Thambar still looks different and it has that central filter, but the price is just way too much. It will probably give "a bit of inspiration" for some Chinese lens makers... But a part of this is Leica's strategy to focus on loyal customers, who can afford almost anything new and interesting thing that's coming out, hoping that it will become collectible one day or simply the avability of getting something that is still "truly old", but with a condition that is "brand new". I guess I might be putting a little aside for the next 10 years for a new Noctilux 50 1.2 sooner or later they could get around to re-making those as well, probably Aspherical lens production can't be that difficult anymore. Btw, what would you choose to be made again? Summilux AA? I guess neither of these is really "old enough" to be produced like this, and the 75 Noctilux will take the Lux's place, surely, and an even higher-end 35mm isn't impossible either, that's probably one direction they are going for besides developing the mirrorless and other lines. Edited October 17, 2017 by padam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted October 17, 2017 Share #110 Posted October 17, 2017 My guess is that the Stemar will be made again. No crazier than Thambar! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted October 18, 2017 Share #111 Posted October 18, 2017 How come all 11 of my Summars, both coated and uncoated, are fine? Many of these were 'accidental purchases' which came attached to a camera. The lens also has much more character than most modern Leica lenses. My vote would be for a modern version of the now comparatively rare and expensive Rigid Summar. William Hello William, Leitz made that lens a number of years ago. They called it the 50mm Summicron R, Second Version. Best Regards, Michael 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted October 18, 2017 Share #112 Posted October 18, 2017 My guess is that the Stemar will be made again. No crazier than Thambar! Less crazy, maybe its time for a stereo re-play. In any event, the Stemar has much better glass than this wildly weird release. I do believe Lecia's time (perhaps Leitz's time for the sake of re-living the past) would be better spent making digital bodies right the first time. Regards, ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 18, 2017 Share #113 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) ... I do believe Leica's time (perhaps Leitz's time for the sake of re-living the past) would be better spent making digital bodies right the first time. ... Right... but making what you speak of means REAL capital investiment ... a small investiment for a 6600 US$ lens (in my rough projection - good return with 500 units sold) is one of the little "cash cows" which any Company needs to find in its own Marketplace... Edited October 18, 2017 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted October 18, 2017 Share #114 Posted October 18, 2017 Hello William, Leitz made that lens a number of years ago. They called it the 50mm Summicron R, Second Version. Best Regards, Michael Thanks Michael. It would be nice to see it in an M mount. My problem is that, as a collector, I will always want the original rather than a 're-creation'. I am often torn between the two aspects of my 'Leica hobby'. William 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted October 18, 2017 Share #115 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) Luigi, you are no doubt correct. I do find it hard to understand collecting replicas (i.e., near replica in the Thambar's case) and certainly do not see a niche for Thambar. Out of all fairness to Leica, the Summaron re-issue brought my original off the shelf and into my shirt pocket. Regards, ron Edited October 18, 2017 by Ronazle 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted October 18, 2017 Share #116 Posted October 18, 2017 Nothing new here. You either embrace it or not. I love using my Wollensak verito LF lens. And this Thambar is exactly that: a 100 year old design purposely made for portraits ala 1930''s Hollywood style. I'd love to own it but 2 things stop me. First: I am not selling my Nikon digital equipment. It's a supremely performant system. I'd switch to digital M for work but I still don't think that the M10 cuts it as a pro camera. At least it's less pathetic than the M, M9 and all the other M-type BS cameras but I'm not yet convinced. In other words, if the M10 was a true pro camera, I'd use it as my pro system with a Thambar on it. And then there is the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted October 18, 2017 Share #117 Posted October 18, 2017 Thanks Michael. It would be nice to see it in an M mount. My problem is that, as a collector, I will always want the original rather than a 're-creation'. I am often torn between the two aspects of my 'Leica hobby'. William Hello William, Actually they did that in 1979. Just as the Summicron R, Second Version, is pretty much a copy of the optical configuration of the 1930's 50mm Summar: The 1979 50mm Summicron M is that same optical configuration shaved a little here & filed a little there so that it will fit into a physically smaller focusing mount for an "M" Leica. Just take a set of current non-APO 50mm Summicron lens elements & put it in a Summar like focusing mount & there is your updated Summar. Best Regards. Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 18, 2017 Share #118 Posted October 18, 2017 Mmmm - outside of both being double-gauss 6-element 50s, the Summar and the current 50 Summicron (1976 R, 1979-present M) are really not the same at all. Summar has one flat (plano) lens surface, Summicrons 76/79 have five flat surfaces, Other elements are quite different in curvature and thickness. The spacing between the front and back groups (either side of the aperture) is much larger in the Summicrons. Almost certainly the glass types (indices of refraction and dispersion) are different after 47 years (1933-79). The Summar has notable curvature of field, which the Summicrons mostly eliminate. The late Summicrons vignette less due to having larger rear-element diameters (thanks to the M mount). Those technical differences result in noticeable differences in character or drawing. The 76/79 Summicron 50s (and the 80/90 90 Elmarit R/M) were "the beginning" of the transition to the modern, crystalline "Solms-y" Leica look - which is why the M versions survived in the line for decades afterwards, and generally "fit in" with the look of the even more modern lenses. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted October 18, 2017 Share #119 Posted October 18, 2017 If we can trust the MTF-graphs of the Leica pocket book, the Summar has - besides all differences in optical design - much more in common with the pre-asph. 50mm Summilux than with the 50mm Summicron. The Summar is quite good at the center - you may even say better than the Summicron -, but then it declines constantly to a very low floor the wider you get to the edges. The Summicron is much more controlled on the whole plane. The Summilux declines in a simliar way - though wide opened it is much "worse" in the center than the Summar. This common characteristic of the Summar and the Summilux allows you to achieve three-dimensional impressions as with no other lens I know. The Summicron is much "flatter" - which should not be understood as worse, but completely different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted October 18, 2017 Share #120 Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) Mmmm - outside of both being double-gauss 6-element 50s, the Summar and the current 50 Summicron (1976 R, 1979-present M) are really not the same at all. Summar has one flat (plano) lens surface, Summicrons 76/79 have five flat surfaces, Other elements are quite different in curvature and thickness. The spacing between the front and back groups (either side of the aperture) is much larger in the Summicrons. Almost certainly the glass types (indices of refraction and dispersion) are different after 47 years (1933-79). The Summar has notable curvature of field, which the Summicrons mostly eliminate. The late Summicrons vignette less due to having larger rear-element diameters (thanks to the M mount). Those technical differences result in noticeable differences in character or drawing. The 76/79 Summicron 50s (and the 80/90 90 Elmarit R/M) were "the beginning" of the transition to the modern, crystalline "Solms-y" Leica look - which is why the M versions survived in the line for decades afterwards, and generally "fit in" with the look of the even more modern lenses. Hello Andy, You are looking at the First Summicron-R, 50mm lens. I was writing about about the Second 50mm, Summicron-R. Pretty much of a copy of the 1930's Summar in terms of optical design. Altho I would think that there had been some improvements in optical glasses & coatings, etc involved. Best Regards, Michael Edited October 18, 2017 by Michael Geschlecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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