Einst_Stein Posted September 4, 2017 Share #1 Â Posted September 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) what is the fair market price of 28-35-50mm Tri Elmar M lens, version 2 (11625), e49? Â Would you pay 1.5x of the version 1 for version 2? This seems to be the price on Ebay. And both version are becoming more and more expensive. What makes them so hot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted September 4, 2017 Share #2 Â Posted September 4, 2017 When the Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 was offered new, the price was about the same as Noctilux 1.0 . Â The MATE price dropped some years when it was discontinued, while the Noctilux 1.0 price stayed stable. As the Noctilux 1.0 has been replaced by "better" lens, but MATE not so, MATE becomes a must for people who need/want one. I'm happy to pay my MATE ... about half of today's price some years ago. Â Even happier, as I wanted to trade it along with other stuffs for M10, but my wife wants to use it, so we keep the MATE. Â If Leica don't issue a replacement, I think that the price would not drop. Â What make them so hot ? If the user want something so light with big IQ, there is no other choice in coupled M mount. Not the best choice now with other (SLR) zooms usable with liveview on last M. Â I'm able to use Canon FD L 20-35mm or 25-50 Nikkor much bigger/heavier on M10. But not usable with earlier M (no LV models). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 4, 2017 Share #3 Â Posted September 4, 2017 Â And both version are becoming more and more expensive. What makes them so hot? Rarity and hype. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share #4 Â Posted September 5, 2017 I found the Leica M built-in lens compensation plays a very important role when using wide angle lenses. Â As much as I like my Zeiss ZM 35mm and 25mm, both would create the Christmas light effect on my M9, while I have none of this issue with MATE V2. I guess this is where a non-Leica lens works much inferior. It seems less an issue with tele lenses. Alas there are very few R ROM wide angle zooms to match MATE. The closest is R 35-70mm F4, but even this one does not cover the 28mm, not as good for landscape. Â Objectively, I see it is hard to justfy $5000~6000 for such a lens. But it seems people have no problem to justify anything as long as it is Leica. Â (I still cannot find the objective justification for the $6000 Leica SL, and somehow I have it on my hand now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 5, 2017 Share #5 Â Posted September 5, 2017 Justify I'd the wrong word to use. You don't justify Leica equipment. You either buy it or you don't. Â I wouldn't be without my Tri Elmar. Â Think of it as three two thousand dollar lenses which in the case of Leica is a pretty good price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozytripper Posted September 5, 2017 Share #6  Posted September 5, 2017 what is the fair market price of 28-35-50mm Tri Elmar M lens, version 2 (11625), e49?  Would you pay 1.5x of the version 1 for version 2? This seems to be the price on Ebay. And both version are becoming more and more expensive. What makes them so hot? I bought a version 2 recently and in my search, in an Apple to Apple comparison (same condition and same colour - chromes cost more) version 2 is about 35% to 45% more than version 1. It depends on the seller. Great for travelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2017 Share #7 Â Posted September 5, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... Â According to the few MATEs that I was allowed to try out, the version 1 (filter E55) including the rare silver MATE had greater difficulties to correctly switch on and off the viewfinder frame for 28mm. This seems to work better with version 2 (filter E49). Since both versions are technically complex and many years old, one should depending on the condition consider some hundred Euros for an overhaul, cleaning and adjustment by Leica Wetzlar combined with a coding if desired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 5, 2017 Share #8  Posted September 5, 2017 I chose v1 for its small built-in hood but it flares a lot at 50mm. Dunno if v2 is less flare prone. I suspect it is the same but i have no experience with v2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted September 5, 2017 Share #9  Posted September 5, 2017 I chose v1 for its small built-in hood but it flares a lot at 50 mm. Dunno if v2 is less flare-prone. I suspect it is the same ... Your assumption is correct. Also the 2nd-version Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 mm Asph (with 49 mm filter size) is prone to flare at 50 mm, even with the dedicated clip-on hood in place. If the sun is just outside the frame then it helps to shadow the front element with the hand (or a hat or whatever).  If the back light is just hard enough, it will also flare at 35 mm—like so:   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Blick vom Hohen Jenner, Berchtesgadener Land, 2013 Leica M (Typ 240); Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 mm Asph (with hood, unshielded) 35 mm; f/8; 1/350 s; ISO 200/24°   When shielded with the hand, the same shot looks like this:  Blick vom Hohen Jenner, Berchtesgadener Land, 2013 Leica M (Typ 240); Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 mm Asph (with hood and shielded by hand right above the hood) 35 mm; f/8; 1/350 s; ISO 200/24° Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Blick vom Hohen Jenner, Berchtesgadener Land, 2013 Leica M (Typ 240); Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 mm Asph (with hood, unshielded) 35 mm; f/8; 1/350 s; ISO 200/24°   When shielded with the hand, the same shot looks like this:  Blick vom Hohen Jenner, Berchtesgadener Land, 2013 Leica M (Typ 240); Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50 mm Asph (with hood and shielded by hand right above the hood) 35 mm; f/8; 1/350 s; ISO 200/24° ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276505-mate-fair-market-price/?do=findComment&comment=3352453'>More sharing options...
DaveNC Posted September 5, 2017 Share #10  Posted September 5, 2017 I enjoy my WATE and the Universal Wide-Angle Finder. Does the camera rangefinder frame lines change automatically when one shifts between the 28/35/50 on the MATE?  I'm thinking not. And if not, how do frame lines function with the MATE?  Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 5, 2017 Share #11 Â Posted September 5, 2017 [...] Does the camera rangefinder frame lines change automatically when one shifts between the 28/35/50 on the MATE? [...] Â They do indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted September 5, 2017 Share #12 Â Posted September 5, 2017 I found a MATE V2 that was offered a fair bit below the standard prices on ebay... I decided to grab it- and then to justify it it I sold a 50 Lux and a 28mm elmarit (both old pre-asph lenses). Those two lenses paid for the Tri-Elmar- and I figure I got a 35mm lens for Free! It's also my one and only ASPH leica lens- the newest Leica lens I have. Â I am very happy I did- as I really love the convenience of three in one- and I find it to be a sharp quality lens. I just wish it was 35-50 and 75- that would suit me better- but we can't have everything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2017 Share #13 Â Posted September 5, 2017 They do indeed. Better said - they are supposed to change. Especially the version1 will often require a bit of a wiggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdemeyer Posted September 5, 2017 Share #14 Â Posted September 5, 2017 Had a v2 version overhauled and 6-bit coded recently. Took a long time and cost $532 US. Not saying that to dissuade anyone... just providing info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 5, 2017 Share #15 Â Posted September 5, 2017 Better said - they are supposed to change. Especially the version1 will often require a bit of a wiggle. Â Mine works fine but i have nimble fingers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2017 Share #16  Posted September 5, 2017 ... I just wish it was 35-50 and 75- that would suit me better- but we can't have everything Take an old M8 and the cropped MATE will change to 37, 46 and 66mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 5, 2017 Share #17  Posted September 5, 2017 Take an old M8 and the cropped MATE will change to 37, 46 and 66mm.  Indeed. It's become my favorite manual lens on the APS-C Fuji X-E2. The lens does not show soft or smeared corners on this body, contrary to other M wides, and its flare at 50mm is easy to avoid thanks to the EVF. Bit expensive for a 40-50-75/4 false zoom lens but it is small and light and when you love you don't count do you . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share #18 Â Posted September 5, 2017 All lend flare when shooting "properly". MATE V2 is the same, but I dont see difference compared to my Zeiss ZM 35mm and 25mm. Â But I had a MATE V1 flared much worse. It flares even when the sun is not in the frame. That is unusual. That is what people usually complaint about. I replaced it to V2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 5, 2017 Share #19 Â Posted September 5, 2017 But I had a MATE V1 flared much worse. It flares even when the sun is not in the frame. That is unusual. That is what people usually complaint about. I replaced it to V2. Â Â My version 2 Tri-Elmar also occasionally flared at the 50mm setting. It was classic Leica 50mm veiling glare that would appear as fogging in the central part of the frame and occurred with the main light source outside the frame. My first 75mm APO also exhibited this behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share #20 Â Posted September 5, 2017 The classic veiling glare you mentioned is new to me. I will post the picture if I can duplicate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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