Jeff S Posted December 25, 2016 Share #181 Posted December 25, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thin is nice, but not exactly a high priority for me. Nor is the EVF. I just want a Leica that does not need to go in for a sensor replacement every 3 or 4 years. Other than this issue, the M9/MM are wonderful cameras. The S2 is a great camera as well. It is just so large that I hate to take it out of the studio. And paying $7 -$8,000 per lens is a bit extreme. Even the $4-$5,000 used price for a S lens is a lot of cash. Give me a camera like my old M4; one that will last 45 years with minimal repairs/adjustments and I will be happy. A 36 MP sensor would be nice but since Leica is being Draconian on this issue, 24 MP, quiet, good high ISO and dependable will need to suffice. Still, if the M10 is only a thin M262 with EVF, selling the S2 will require some deep consideration. There may not be enough GAS in me to make the change. (Bold mine) The M240 (and its variants), so far, meet these criteria. The EVF is absent on some variants and an optional M240 add-on (and LV/video can be disabled with a simple menu click). With that, one has the best built digital RF machines to date....weather sealed, smoother shutter release, quiet re-cock, 2m frame lines, better processor and buffer, bigger battery and 24MP with great IQ. If you don't need thinner, and you're not anti-CMOS, you may already have some terrific alternatives to the corrosion-prone M8/9 variants. I wouldn't count on 45 years, though. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 25, 2016 Posted December 25, 2016 Hi Jeff S, Take a look here Sell M to get M10?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ECohen Posted December 25, 2016 Share #182 Posted December 25, 2016 .............. http://konost.com/rangefinder/ Very cool camera idea and design It takes a lot to start a new venture these days. I cant imaging this being a successful one, especially with the camera market being what it is today. But I wish them luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted December 25, 2016 Share #183 Posted December 25, 2016 The Konost will be worth watching. If it proves to be of high quality (the camera itself in construction and layout/usability, and most importantly it's imaging) then will be a good thing for users to have more competition in the marketplace. Personally I'd like it in black but unfortunately I don't like the carbon fibre finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 25, 2016 Share #184 Posted December 25, 2016 The Konost coupled with a 1950's LSM lens would be a bit of a egnima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 25, 2016 Share #185 Posted December 25, 2016 But how does it find the range? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 25, 2016 Share #186 Posted December 25, 2016 Vaporware folks. This thing is unable to work as is. The finder window would be blocked by any lens this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted December 25, 2016 Share #187 Posted December 25, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) That's why it's a enigma ..... make sure you check the link or go to Leica Rumours.............hmnnnmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 25, 2016 Share #188 Posted December 25, 2016 I don't follow rumors sites that much but show me a serious design and i will certainly be interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 25, 2016 Share #189 Posted December 25, 2016 (Bold mine) The M240 (and its variants), so far, meet these criteria. The EVF is absent on some variants and an optional M240 add-on (and LV/video can be disabled with a simple menu click). With that, one has the best built digital RF machines to date....weather sealed, smoother shutter release, quiet re-cock, 2m frame lines, better processor and buffer, bigger battery and 24MP with great IQ. If you don't need thinner, and you're not anti-CMOS, you may already have some terrific alternatives to the corrosion-prone M8/9 variants. I wouldn't count on 45 years, though. Jeff Right. But you forget to mention that the present M9 sensor is corrosion-proof. Has been for a while, so it is hard to see why a camera would need a sensor replacement every 3-4 years. Mine, BTW, still has its original sensor from 2009.No sign of corrosion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 25, 2016 Share #190 Posted December 25, 2016 Mine, BTW, still has its original sensor from 2009.No sign of corrosion. I have one with a replacement sensor and one which has been checked this year and which is fine - no replacement needed (yet or maybe ever). To get back on track. The M rangefinder's key attribute is simplicity, something which is all too easy to forget with the plethora of options available on most 'cameras'. Attributes which make a product stand out from the crowd are becoming rarer although Leica's decision to make monochrome cameras shows a desire to produce different equipment - a quite brave approach given the continuous clamour for ever higher specification. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted December 25, 2016 Share #191 Posted December 25, 2016 Longevity in the digital age is more a matter of psychology than physiology. I still retain several decade old digital cameras, cheap ones at that, which, with a fresh set of batteries, still function perfectly... well at least as perfectly as they ever did. Despite significant use, my M shows no overt signs of giving up the ghost anytime soon. In fact, if one measures a tool by the achieved result, there's a case to be made that the 240, at least in my hands, is not diminishing with age, but improving. All the speculative, virtual ink splashed about this forum on the topic of a next M is down to how each of us reacts at the intersection of a few basic realities. An M is neither a perfect device nor have the laws of entropy and that of Mr. Moore yet been repealed. And of course, even the magic elves in Wetzlar and Solms have to be fed every now and again. Their growling bellies are highly motivated to find ways to induce a similar ache in our own for purchasing their latest wares. Yet who among us comes within a parsec of extracting the last photon of goodness from that we currently possess? No, we sidestep our failures; slowly, inexorably, substituting a set of delusions specifically fabricated to justify turning our wants into actions. Finally, comes the day. Eyes fixed upon that once beloved, now brassing, all wells up. The source of evil lays before us, it is no longer innocently complicit, but entirely responsible and must be exorcised forthwith. That's why I just rid my bag of the CV Heliar, replacing it with a 75mm Summilux and fully expect, with that pariah purged, to be turning my attentions toward an M10 in short order. Happy holidays, everyone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted December 25, 2016 Share #192 Posted December 25, 2016 My M-P 240 is great. I'd just like it thinner. Lighter would be nice too. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2016 Share #193 Posted December 25, 2016 Not asking to get banned here, but what about magnesium? Would it be brassing when painted black? Though they could pair it with racing colours (Ferrari, Lamborghini etc.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 25, 2016 Share #194 Posted December 25, 2016 It would be Magnesiumming I suppose... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted December 25, 2016 Share #195 Posted December 25, 2016 Not asking to get banned here, but what about magnesium? Would it be brassing when painted black? Though they could pair it with racing colours (Ferrari, Lamborgini etc.) Many benefits. Possibly would require specialised forming. Camera body manufacturers (Canon, Nikon, Sony) already use this material.It doesn't wear nicely. Cameras show ageing, but not in the lovely way that Leica's do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2016 Share #196 Posted December 25, 2016 Many benefits. Possibly would require specialised forming. Camera body manufacturers (Canon, Nikon, Sony) already use this material. It doesn't wear nicely. Cameras show ageing, but not in the lovely way that Leica's do. Oh, well then. On Christmas Day we could ask for a first: Carbon, Kevlar or whatever is best but hasn't been seen before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 25, 2016 Share #197 Posted December 25, 2016 I suppose some kind of glass fiber composite would do better.Basalt would be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2016 Share #198 Posted December 25, 2016 Remember: no second best to replace (as a small series test) our beloved trumpet-gold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted December 25, 2016 Share #199 Posted December 25, 2016 I suppose some kind of glass fiber composite would do better.Basalt would be interesting. Indeed - but rather heavy I suspect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 25, 2016 Share #200 Posted December 25, 2016 No, it would be rather light, nearly as much so as Carbon Fiber. Gitzo makes wonderful light tripods from Basalt Composite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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