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Thanks. Makes sense. I'm a hand holder unless I need very slow shutter speeds for water etc.

 

I was worried that MF is more prone to camera shake than FF. But the X1D has excellent higher ISO than typical MF cameras, leaf shutter (no mirror shake) and is light weight, which should bring it back to SL range of camera shake. My research shows that 1/f seems to be fine.

So far I have mostly shot hand held and not experiencing camera shake with the X1d. I shoot a lot at ISO 100 and 200. The only issue is there is a shutter lag which is significant and have to remember to hold still longer than I might normally, even at higher ISO.

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I get the feeling that a lot of people here talk about the X1D in the same way athat a lot of DSLR users talk about Leicas.   They concentrate on all the things it doesn't do as well as their DSLR

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I have been enjoying playing with my new X1D.    A few observations, which should be taken as preliminary for now and are only based on what I find important so may be completly irrelevant to you. 

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First, let me say I am former Nikon D810, non-professional landscape photographer that 6 months ago switched to the Leica SL and zoom lenses.  Today I went to the X1D road show demo in Rockville, MD a

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Loved the satire. That was a good giggle. :)

 

I think the quest for "ultimate resolution" by the entrenched medium format digital and technical camera crowd colors somewhat the need for a hugely rigid tripod, considering it a necessity. Certainly for the medium format SLRs, the best, most deliciously detailed photographs came from rigidly mounting the camera on a tripod, focusing critically, locking up the mirror, etc etc. The same is true, frankly, for using any camera, but usually 35mm format shooters are a little less concerned about it: the hallmark of 35mm photography has always been the big DoF, light, fast, mobile shooting experience.

 

What the X1D innovates on most for the MFD world is in just this: like the Mamiya 6 and Mamiya 7 before it, it is relatively light and handy in use. There is no mirror to add camera motion, there is a leaf shutter that minimizes vibrations imparted to the camera too, so it is quite hand-holdable even if its "ultimate resolution and image perfection" will still require a tripod, etc.

 

This is why I consider the X1D challenges the M, ultimately, rather than the SL. The X1D simply can never have the kind of speed and responsiveness of the SL, but it can keep up with an M nicely and be very nearly as hand-held-friendly ... unless you must have that extra razor-edge sharpness that only a support can lend. And then it will go past the M (assuming equivalent quality lenses) due to the larger, higher resolution sensor.

 

It's best to think objectively about these things, without the baggage of status quo thinking affecting judgement.

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...but you can add a large number of widely different, new and old, technically perfect and less perfect, f0.95...1.4, lenses on an M. Never so with the X1D. So for me, X1D is a very different animal. I would be happy to have and use M and X1D, but I could not substitute the X1D with the M. No way.

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I did not find any news in this topic either in Hasselblad Digital Forum nor getDPI Forum regarding this issue

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2017/20170325_2142-HasselbladX1D-autofocus.html

 

Utterly stupid stuff from digilloyd. No one who has been using the X1D has reported this to be a problem. Simple click-bait. I just despise jerks like him who have to post idiotic and sensationalistic nonsense about everything in order to attract attention. 

 

...but you can add a large number of widely different, new and old, technically perfect and less perfect, f0.95...1.4, lenses on an M. Never so with the X1D. So for me, X1D is a very different animal. I would be happy to have and use M and X1D, but I could not substitute the X1D with the M. No way.

 

 

Yes, you can. That said, I don't know anyone actually doing photography who has "a large number of widely different, new and old, technically perfect and less perfect, f0.95...1.4, lenses" that they use. I'm sure some equipment enthusiasts/collectors do, but who really cares? Nearly all the photographers I know of spend their time and money selecting a few good lenses and then go out and shoot with them forever. Good lenses are not limited to just "f/0.95 ... f/1.4" ultra fast lenses anyway, and even f/2 is considers radically, insanely fast for a larger than 35mm format sensor. 

 

For most of the photographers I know, the basic pair that the X1D were announced with would suffice in speed and quality forever. I'm not quite there yet, but getting closer as the years go on.. A "large number of lenses" is simply becoming too much to carry. :D

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I did not find any news in this topic either in Hasselblad Digital Forum nor getDPI Forum regarding this issue

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2017/20170325_2142-HasselbladX1D-autofocus.html

 

So I picked mine up this morning and did test shots with the 45mm and 90mm - AF and MF,  and they are identical. He must've got a defective unit.

 

Camera is really nice. In MF, it's a lot like the SL in MF but with auto-zoom instead of joystick press zoom. It focusses pretty fast. Not quite at the Q speed but definitely acceptable. It will only get better as they rollout the firmware enhancements that are both intended and required. I think I'm going to really love this camera. Very very easy to use and switch between MF and AF. very light and manageable by comparison to the SL and similar feel to the M10 with a 35mm or 50mm lux.

 

Easily handheld shooting with no blur. The camera seems to default to faster shutter speeds and medium ISOs to help. Provided you don't inadvertently have the Aperture at 32. hehe. 

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So far I have mostly shot hand held and not experiencing camera shake with the X1d. I shoot a lot at ISO 100 and 200. The only issue is there is a shutter lag which is significant and have to remember to hold still longer than I might normally, even at higher ISO.

There is no more lag then on the SL. What you're seeing is the combination of 3 shutter clicks and blackout. The shot is exposed at the 2nd click, not 3rd. The second click happens almost immediately but the blackout is til the 3rd making you think there a lag.

 

I took shots at 1600 with no visible noise at all. I keep the speed at 1/f and have no blur or shake. I'll post later about this camera but suffice to say, I'm still in shock.

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There is no more lag then on the SL. What you're seeing is the combination of 3 shutter clicks and blackout. The shot is exposed at the 2nd click, not 3rd. The second click happens almost immediately but the blackout is til the 3rd making you think there a lag.

I took shots at 1600 with no visible noise at all. I keep the speed at 1/f and have no blur or shake. I'll post later about this camera but suffice to say, I'm still in shock.

Well, unless you got an updated firmware, or mine is flawed. I did some tests with steady moving objects and shot was well after when I pushed the shutter button. Shake and blur is different than lag.
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When you press the shutter you hear 3 clicks. The shot is exposed on the second click. It doesn't lag more than me bother bodies - Leica. I'm in the latest. 1.15.

 

Also try shooting only RAW. It will reduce the blackout.

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When you press the shutter you hear 3 clicks. The shot is exposed on the second click. It doesn't lag more than me bother bodies - Leica. I'm in the latest. 1.15.

Also try shooting only RAW. It will reduce the blackout.

Well, turns out your firmware is newer version!!! Yeah!!! I didn't get any notice on this so looking forward to installing. So maybe the lag is no longer an issue.

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Hi all X1D current owners ... what's long time exposures like on the X1D? The H5D-50C has the T-mode which allows to set a very long exposure times and conveniently show the progress (countdown) with practically no limit to the time. How does the X1D handle it? I'm interested to see how X1D will compare to SL in this respect.

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Hi all X1D current owners ... what's long time exposures like on the X1D? The H5D-50C has the T-mode which allows to set a very long exposure times and conveniently show the progress (countdown) with practically no limit to the time. How does the X1D handle it? I'm interested to see how X1D will compare to SL in this respect.

X1D has automatic exposure of up to 60 minutes (S or A mode). In M mode you can choose T as shutter speed, it shows the count down on LCD. It seems to be similar behavior as in H5D-50C. And yes, no noise reduction step is needed with long exposure :-).

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Up until now the X1D seemed to have an advantage when using flash (up to 1/2000th).

But maybe this helps to level out the ground - with the Priolite HotSync remote control the Leica (SL) can now use flash sync with up to 1/8000th. Looking forward to see anyone giving it a try. Currently it is only on paper - release is on April 30th. But certainly a much missed tool (for some users of studio flash lights).

http://priolite.lighting/control-a-hot-sync-leica/

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Up until now the X1D seemed to have an advantage when using flash (up to 1/2000th).

But maybe this helps to level out the ground - with the Priolite HotSync remote control the Leica (SL) can now use flash sync with up to 1/8000th. Looking forward to see anyone giving it a try. Currently it is only on paper - release is on April 30th. But certainly a much missed tool (for some users of studio flash lights).

http://priolite.lighting/control-a-hot-sync-leica/

 

There's no level playing field until I can use my beautiful broncolor and profoto lighting fully synced with Leica

 

 

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There's no level playing field until I can use my beautiful broncolor and profoto lighting fully synced with Leica

 

 

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This is a different product, not related to the Priolite announcement in any way.

But Broncolor RFS is working as well (and seems to offer 1/8000th as well). See thread "studio flash"

Now almost all camera brands offer the possibility of 1/8000th with compatible studio flashes. (flash and trigger compatible)

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Hi all X1D current owners ... what's long time exposures like on the X1D? The H5D-50C has the T-mode which allows to set a very long exposure times and conveniently show the progress (countdown) with practically no limit to the time. How does the X1D handle it? I'm interested to see how X1D will compare to SL in this respect.

 

The same base sensor in the 645Z does it easily. I've done 15 minutes and they're lovely. And with no LENR.

 

Gordon

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