marcg Posted November 21, 2015 Share #301 Posted November 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have little or no use for LV or video, less still on my MM246. But a Monochrom '262'? .......now we're talking. I agree. This would be something that I could really look forward to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 Hi marcg, Take a look here Leica M (Typ 262) - Reduction to Rangefinder Photography (at 1000 € less). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sarav Posted November 21, 2015 Share #302 Posted November 21, 2015 You'll be telling us that Leica lenses are meant to be used wide-open next. I don't see anything wrong. Wide open Leica lenses are spectacular (old and new). Yesterday at night I was taking a picture of a transformers and wires of a power plant: Night, dark, just a light over from a lamp, Leica MP + Noctilux @0.95 + TriX @400 1/8 sec. I hope to develop the film tomorrow and see if I'd need a flash :-) BTW, I've never used a flash with M cameras; with other cameras and image-formats I often need it in low light situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted November 21, 2015 Share #303 Posted November 21, 2015 BTW, I've never used a flash with M cameras; with other cameras and image-formats I often need it in low light situation. I only ever use flash in an outdoor high light situation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2015 Share #304 Posted November 21, 2015 You'll be telling us that Leica lenses are meant to be used wide-open next. I would say Leica lenses are meant to be used at all apertures on the scale, so yes, they are meant to be used wide-open as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 21, 2015 Share #305 Posted November 21, 2015 You'll be telling us that Leica lenses are meant to be used wide-open next. Do I detect some irony? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 21, 2015 Share #306 Posted November 21, 2015 He says that every part in the M240 was changed from the M9, except the structure of the RF, but that the RF accuracy was improved. I appreciate your further explanation, as a prior discussion on the topic was left with only speculation. For some reason I still don’t quite understand Leica had kept mum about their modifications to the rangefinder and the new calibration method, but eventually I could talk to the man responsible for rangefinder developent to add some substance to the speculations – see LFI 1/2015. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 21, 2015 Share #307 Posted November 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was referring to the fact that I am unfamiliar with how quiet the M240 is, compared with the upcoming Typ 262. I trust that you read the section on the quieter, faster shutter re-cock (titled in bold). As to how much quieter, the only way to really know is to try one (unless someone records it for you, but that's still not the same as being there). That's what I did when the the M240 appeared, and I brought my M8.2 to the dealer to compare. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted November 21, 2015 Share #308 Posted November 21, 2015 I totally agree and hope to see a sleeker one in the future and an immediate wakeup just pressing release button (so it'd be as fast as the analog M) As regards the announcement I'm very happy and to me Leica is now in the right direction. Amenities in the SL, solid fundamental functions in the M. Very good job Leica!!! That is only likely to happen when there is a revolutionary breakthrough in battery technology. Even so, the other factor that you can't overcome if the flange to sensor distance required by M lenses. Digital sensors are simply thicker than film and adding an LCD just compounds the problem. Ignoring the battery issue, you might possibly thin out the body and simply make a pedestal for the flange mount so that it stays where it is, but I suspect that people will start complaining that the camera is uncomfortable to hold. I can live with the size. The M240 is actually a tiny bit thinner than my M8 (when you factor in button heights and the M240's thumb rest). Unless Leica offers a new line of lenses with a shorter flange to sensor distance, you are pretty much assured that the total width of the M series digital cameras is about as tight as it can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 21, 2015 Share #309 Posted November 21, 2015 A year ago if I could've chosen between a new 262 and demo 240 for the same money, I would've chosen the 262 in a heartbeat. Now however, after owning 240's, I would not want a 262. I have never and will never use video mode, but although I rarely use live view/EVF I have come to appreciate it being there. I've gotten many close-up shots in my travels using a 50 or 90 and OUFRO spacers which I would not have otherwise; and shooting 12, 15 and 21mm lenses has become much more convenient not having to carry 3 separate finders and switch them along with the lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giulio Zanni Posted November 21, 2015 Share #310 Posted November 21, 2015 If you do only street you don't need live view but if you want to do some serious landscape work live view is a huge advantage. I just got the Monochrome type 246 with a couple of summarit for that. My last Leica was an M8, a painful camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted November 21, 2015 Share #311 Posted November 21, 2015 Yes, I very much miss not having live-view in my M8's. I can't do easy macro or live sensor framing...I do miss that. Then I have to use my Fuji XE1 system ...but it's just not Leica! cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted November 21, 2015 Share #312 Posted November 21, 2015 Actually, when it is written aluminium it would be Dutch, when written Aluminium it would be German. In the technical specs( downloads- Datenblatt. ) it is written: " aluminum "... Isn't that how American say it? ('aloominum'.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted November 21, 2015 Share #313 Posted November 21, 2015 Now two features make me a little less happy. No more live view though live view (and the EVF) can be very invaluable for a photographer. Macro, long focal lenses, " real " view with wide angles, judging a picture during framing for light reflexions, many uses. Last (light) critic the new aluminium top that does not stay as beautiful as brass when used a lot. 188 postings and at last someone has pointed out that with the dispensation of live view the current 90mm macro lens+ adapter would make focusing mere guesswork. (I believe the earlier goggle type fitment is no longer available.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 21, 2015 Share #314 Posted November 21, 2015 Isn't that how American say it? ('aloominum'.) In most languages of the world including (British) English the metal is spelled ‘aluminium’ or similar (Italian ‘alluminio’, Spanish ‘aluminio’, Turkish ‘alüminyum’ etc.); only in US English is it spelled ‘aluminum’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #315 Posted November 21, 2015 This vaguely reminds me of the Nikon DF conceptually because of no video and simpler controls. And funny enough, the DF is holding value better than any other Nikon FF The quiet shutter is huge. I am literally banned from some events for shutter noise. Even when not I get dirty looks in some situations. I can't blame them. Elk respond to my A7.mod shutter at 40 yards. I'm not kidding. The M9 is a little better. The 240 is alot better, but still way too loud for certain events. People who say it makes no difference don't use the camera in those places, I guess. Or they are oblivious. The SL may well be a commercial flop even if it's a technically solid camera. Wake me when they meet demand I have little or no use for LV or video, less still on my MM246. But a Monochrom '262'? .......now we're talking.This is brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted November 21, 2015 Share #316 Posted November 21, 2015 People who say it makes no difference don't use the camera in those places, I guess. Or they are oblivious. I know exactly where you're coming from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted November 21, 2015 Share #317 Posted November 21, 2015 That's what I did when the the M240 appeared, and I brought my M8.2 to the dealer to compare. Jeff I did see the part about the shutter but there is no dealer in my city unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 21, 2015 Share #318 Posted November 21, 2015 I did see the part about the shutter but there is no dealer in my city unfortunately. Sometimes that's when other forum members come in handy....I suspect there will be some buyers near you....might cost a beer, though. Most all reputable Leica dealers, though, are used to mail order and will allow for returns. I guess you're no longer in Melbourne....isn't there a Leica Store? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted November 21, 2015 Share #319 Posted November 21, 2015 I guess you're no longer in Melbourne....isn't there a Leica Store? Jeff Oops, forgot that it still says Melbourne somewhere on my profile. I'm in Canberra for a while. I will head back to Melbourne eventually, not sure when yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 21, 2015 Share #320 Posted November 21, 2015 Oops, forgot that it still says Melbourne somewhere on my profile. It appears to the left of every post! Easy to edit profile location. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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