biglouis Posted October 8, 2015 Share #61 Posted October 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just dipping in here as I've seen all the rumours about the so-called digital SL and it sparked some nostalgia in me for Leica products. Rumours on pricing put it well out of my league. However, the rumoured pricing does actually put it in the same league as the current special offer of a Leica S-E and Summarit 70/2.5 bundle. I know which one I would spend my dough on. LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevelap Posted October 8, 2015 Share #62 Posted October 8, 2015 Rumours Louis, rumours . I don't think the expected SL and the S are likely to be competing systems though....one a FF mirrorless and the other a MF DSLR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 13, 2015 Share #63 Posted October 13, 2015 I was just thinking about exactly this. My Leica M system is already complete and self contained. An S with likely better IQ with larger sensor and outstanding lenses would be a serious option to an SL if: the SL and lens is bigger and heavier than the M the SL does not accept M lenses the SL is similar or more expensive than the M (which it should not be if the opto-mechanical system is absent) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted October 13, 2015 Share #64 Posted October 13, 2015 Ha! All his spare time is taken up helping out with hand polishing T bodies. They're struggling to keep up with demand I think this is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum. :-) Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted October 13, 2015 Share #65 Posted October 13, 2015 Ha! All his spare time is taken up helping out with hand polishing T bodies. They're struggling to keep up with demand No, Dr Kaufmann is actually very busy sanding the corners of M bodies and 35 and 50 lenses . He is actually shut in with Lenny Kravitz in that globe sculpture located on the roundabout at the entrance to Leitz park. They are working collaboratively to prepare another 500 sets. 3 times a day a staff member from the casino delivers plates of wurst and local craft beer to the globe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reading Posted October 15, 2015 Share #66 Posted October 15, 2015 Ok here is a question. How many Leica users have bought into the Fuji X system? I'll bet it is a very high proportion. The T & X do not cut it, good cameras but ergonomically they fail. The S and M are brilliant and top of the range. Leica needs something to mop up the Fuji X demand. Leica cannot compete on price we know that but the Red Dot will command a premium. I hope that this is camera is aimed directly at this segment. It could use the T mount, but I think that will leave them vulnerable to attack by Sony who seem to be very good at making large sensor small bodied cameras. It could be a new auto-focus mount for a full frame sensor with the possibility to mount M lenses via an adapter but that would make the camera quite big 75% of a Leica S which would still be a big camera. Leica have taken a long time to come out with a new camera and I assume that there is a reason why they have taken so long. Personally I don't think that a full frame sensor is needed because improvements in sensor technology will continue. Smaller sensors have one main drawback and that is depth of field. However having a smaller sensor would distinguish the M. I am quite excited about this camera, I just hope that it is priced for the enthusiast and not for the collector. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 15, 2015 Share #67 Posted October 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok here is a question. How many Leica users have bought into the Fuji X system? I'll bet it is a very high proportion. The T & X do not cut it, good cameras but ergonomically they fail. The S and M are brilliant and top of the range. Leica needs something to mop up the Fuji X demand. Leica cannot compete on price we know that but the Red Dot will command a premium. I hope that this is camera is aimed directly at this segment. [...]. Neither the M nor the "SL" will compete with Fuji bodies i believe, the latters being APS cameras. Using an X-E2 with M lenses myself, i can say that the ergonomics of the camera is not worst than that of the M (in fact both are pretty good with a Thumbs Up IMO) and that it is way faster than the latter in LV mode, there is simply no comparison. I could be interested by a T working like a Fuji i guess but this has nothing to do with the "SL" which would be a FF camera if i understand well the rumours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 16, 2015 Share #68 Posted October 16, 2015 I am quite excited about this camera, I just hope that it is priced for the enthusiast and not for the collector. So what about the wealthy enthusiast, don't they get a shot at owning a nice camera other than being labelled a collector? I'm sure the camera will be priced sensibly. But consider this, it will take both R and M lenses with an adapter and the full frame sensor will allow M wides to perform as they should without corner smearing (we assume). This would take the camera out of any competition with all other camera manufacturers because it would be unique. You get two camera's in one, an R based system camera and an M based system camera (plus AF, multi system lens use, etc.). Consider the 'enthusiasts' who bought an M and an R when the cameras ran side by side, they know about expense, so stop whining. I'm not entirely sure why Leica needs to compete with anybody, let alone Fuji, if they can produce a unique product. Who were Leica really competing against all these years in the production of film cameras, not Voigtlander that's for sure? Who have they been competing against with the optical rangefinder digital camera? So this idea they need to steal sales from Fuji or Sony is barmy, Leica have a sound customer base, thinking of all those people who held on to their R lenses waiting for just such a day as this. And the only thing that will happen if the camera is priced at the same level as a Fuji, with lenses priced at the same level as a Fuji, is the same level of switching that goes on between camera systems when perceived value is outweighed by disposable income. In other words people see the price of everything but the value of nothing. This is why Leica have survived so long, and they may be slow, and they may be sometimes mad, and also maddening, but their customers see the value in an expensive camera body because they know it will last them out, and they aren't the lightweights who flip camera systems on a whim brought on by reading yet another camera review. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted October 16, 2015 Share #69 Posted October 16, 2015 Steve -- +1; although I am not sure how long this new body will last in terms of delivering the best, etc. Although, arguing against my point, I wonder whether the really rapid advances in sensor/software technology has reached the point where trading up every couple of years is no longer necessary. Thinking about PCs/Macbooks in the 80s and 90s versus today -- My Macbook pro is from 2009 and works absolutely fine, thank you, whereas a 6 year old computer in 1995 would be a doorstop. We will see in a few days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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