Herr Barnack Posted August 7, 2015 Share #241 Posted August 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) @Moderators: Please can you stop all this nonsense. Many thanks. Perish the thought! Without nonsense, this forum would be a tattered, empty shell of its current self! More fuel for the fire: http://cameratimes.org/leica-will-announce-new-camera-system-september/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gpwhite Posted August 7, 2015 Share #242 Posted August 7, 2015 I heard that with the new camera Wetzlar will be offering a service to reconfigure your hands to calibrate them to the new thickness (though there will be a wait). If your hands go out of alignment you can get them re-calibrated under warranty. Yes, but the problem with that new program is that your hands must go to Wetzlar for the adjustment. The lines there can be long, and the food at Das Casino is rather sad. It is awkward to take pictures without hands, even if the camera has AI (Auto Imaging). I actually like everything about the M, except the silly EVF. I wonder if the manager behind accepting the Olympus EVF2 for the M is the same person who oversees the food quality at Das Casino? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 7, 2015 Share #243 Posted August 7, 2015 Back to the rangefinder and digital-optical. I'm surprised that nobody has fastened an iPhone to the back of their M with rubber bands and used iPhone Camera to look through the RF window. It is the ultimate big LCD and a great Zombie pose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 7, 2015 Share #244 Posted August 7, 2015 Back to the rangefinder and digital-optical. I'm surprised that nobody has fastened an iPhone to the back of their M with rubber bands and used iPhone Camera to look through the RF window. It is the ultimate big LCD and a great Zombie pose. Leica will do it as they did with the T , that's the best line they can follow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted August 7, 2015 Share #245 Posted August 7, 2015 I heard that with the new camera Wetzlar will be offering a service to reconfigure your hands to calibrate them to the new thickness (though there will be a wait). If your hands go out of alignment you can get them re-calibrated under warranty. But it will take 6 to 9 months to get it done. (luckily that's including the 4 days shipping time) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 7, 2015 Share #246 Posted August 7, 2015 Yes, but the problem with that new program is that your hands must go to Wetzlar for the adjustment. The lines there can be long, and the food at Das Casino is rather sad. It is awkward to take pictures without hands, even if the camera has AI (Auto Imaging). I actually like everything about the M, except the silly EVF. I wonder if the manager behind accepting the Olympus EVF2 for the M is the same person who oversees the food quality at Das Casino? Unfortunately, at the time that the M was in the design stage, four years ago, there was no better EVF on the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 7, 2015 Share #247 Posted August 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Unfortunately, at the time that the M was in the design stage, four years ago, there was no better EVF on the market. I'm not sure this really stands up, Jaap. Repetition doesn't make it true. Two difficulties with your statement: (1) it didn't meet the standard of the rest of the camera - good enough wasn't really sufficient (2) the fact that Olympus released version 2 almost immediately after the M(240) was released, yet the camera was not compatible with version 2. As as I recall, the Sony EVFs were far superior at that time. I'm not knocking Leica, but that EVF, and not making it upgradable was a very serious error of judgment. In this electronic age, everything should be upgradable, if possible. The M(240) is a case in point - Leica's flagship stuck with an indifferent EVF on release. Very poor for a 3 year replacement cycle. This is is not one to hold out on, Jaap. Some of what Leica does is defensible - this isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 7, 2015 Share #248 Posted August 7, 2015 As pointed out, this is an international forum. Although it may be that the use of a nickname means no offence, the recipient may well feel uncomfortable. In the case of Neil, we know he has an Asian wife, so he can hardly be accused of having a prejudice against Asian people. However, let's bear the demographics of the Forum in mind and refrain from using nicknames that might be taken in another spirit than meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 7, 2015 Share #249 Posted August 7, 2015 IkarusJohn, on 07 Aug 2015 - 10:43, said: I'm not sure this really stands up, Jaap. Repetition doesn't make it true. Two difficulties with your statement: (1) it didn't meet the standard of the rest of the camera - good enough wasn't really sufficient (2) the fact that Olympus released version 2 almost immediately after the M(240) was released, yet the camera was not compatible with version 2. As as I recall, the Sony EVFs were far superior at that time. I'm not knocking Leica, but that EVF, and not making it upgradable was a very serious error of judgment. In this electronic age, everything should be upgradable, if possible. The M(240) is a case in point - Leica's flagship stuck with an indifferent EVF on release. Very poor for a 3 year replacement cycle. This is is not one to hold out on, Jaap. Some of what Leica does is defensible - this isn't. No defence, explanation. In any case, Leica did intend to have the camera upgradable to the next generation EVF. However, when testing, it turned out not to be possible. Feel free to develop a conspiration theory. I personally think the processor was not up to it. Given the nature of the camera, I feel it is no big deal; the camera is a rangefinder camera, the EVF is just an auxiliary system to make it usable in situations where an RF fails. It is certainly not meant to turn it into a top class EVIL camera -which it doesn't. For the intended purpose the EVF2 is works well, for the rest, well, silk purses and sow's ears come to mind. It would have been nice if Leica had offered a Q-level EVF for the M, I agree. We might not have liked the price, though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai_Print Posted August 7, 2015 Share #250 Posted August 7, 2015 Well here is one vote for a new M, I could not figure out for the life of me why my M240 kept stopping at 8 seconds at ISO 1,600 on a job last night. Thankfully I had a Nikon body nearby and got the task done. While not a "deal breaker" by any means, it is certainly a fair sized speed bump in my field workflow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 7, 2015 Share #251 Posted August 7, 2015 Yes, the time limitation in B mode is rather bothersome and hard to comprehend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 7, 2015 Share #252 Posted August 7, 2015 Well here is one vote for a new M, I could not figure out for the life of me why my M240 kept stopping at 8 seconds at ISO 1,600 on a job last night. Thankfully I had a Nikon body nearby and got the task done. While not a "deal breaker" by any means, it is certainly a fair sized speed bump in my field workflow. Hmm, I took a 24 second exposure last night. I thought the limit was a minute !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 7, 2015 Share #253 Posted August 7, 2015 Yes but at 200 iso. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 7, 2015 Share #254 Posted August 7, 2015 The new camera is actually a model Leica designed for the Swiss Army. It's a Q with interchangeable lenses, that will also work as an M camera, that will also have a T mount and will also take R lenses and S lenses......Oh and of course, it does movies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted August 7, 2015 Share #255 Posted August 7, 2015 Wow this thread got off topic quick. Glad to see this much excitement and frustration for the new M. As someone who recently jumped to Leica a year ago from Canon I wouldn't mind sharing my two cents. Why I came to Leica? I traded top of the line canon set for a Leica M and a 35 Lux. My zooms from 16-200 f 2.8 and my 50 Prime, great for getting any shot I thought I needed. However it was heavy. Being a hobbyist and not a professional I seeked something with better image quality and smaller package. I want simplicity in my shooting. I no longer enjoyed carrying that gear around, it was heavy, bulky, drew a ton of attention, and I found I used it more like a point in shoot. Once I switched I noticed I immediately retaught myself photography. Slowing down and really thinking about the how I want to take the shot. Focus and recomposing was at first a challenge I always seem to miss. I took the time to take better pictures; and think about what I needed to do to improve. A Year has past. I have improved more in my photography this past year then the 5 years prior. From this helpful community and other Leica users to having the drive an will to shoot because it is fun. My manual focusing could still use some improvement. What I would like to see in a new M -It would be nice to have a hybrid camera for manual and auto focus. With a new baby due any second I think it will be hard for me to keep up. -Higher mega pixels would be nice but I prefer more ISO performance. Something at least in line with the new Leica Q or the A7S would be a minimum. I shoot in doors a lot and always find it very limiting to get the same quality of a shot if outside. -Better compact flash option. SF24D is awful for me. Can never seem to get it right as a fill flash. -Slightly smaller form factor would be nice. Not asking for a huge improvement here. More Ergonomics if anything. I prefer the grip on my M240 -NEW AF lenses. This I am not so sure about. Having recently invested upwards of 17k this year on M240, 35lux and 50 lux. I don't want to have to re-buy my current kit. That would be frustrating. I prefer the manual focusing and I think it should be reserved for the utmost quality. If I had an option to have slightly less quality like that of the Q lens I would have both. Kind of torn on this topic. - Hybrid EVF / E-RF would be nice. Well this was my two cents. I came to this system because it was different and allowed me to take my time and learn how to be a better photographer rather than constantly thinking about the next best gear; With canon I felt it was easy to blame the performance of the shot on the gear. With Leica, its always my fault if I am unable to produce the image I am looking for. So my skills have drastically improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 7, 2015 Share #256 Posted August 7, 2015 [...] I personally think the processor was not up to it. [...] That's what Sean Reid wrote in september 2012 yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 7, 2015 Share #257 Posted August 7, 2015 [...] It's a Q with interchangeable lenses, that will also work as an M camera, that will also have a T mount and will also take R lenses and S lenses......Oh and of course, it does movies. And it will save Leica from predicted death of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted August 7, 2015 Share #258 Posted August 7, 2015 I am just doing some predicting, and in a short while we shall see if my suspicions are right. The new camera won't be an M. I see them coming up with total new letter like L for Leica, ha! The "L1". It will have all the "modern conveniences" every household needs for taking family photos, like autofocus and etc. (ha!) It won't likely be a rangefinder. It will be relatively slim but bigger than the Q, closer to the T. Any new Ms will just be minor changes or getting back to a slimmed down version. I am fine if it stays the same. Is a keeper. They aren't dropping the rangefinder. Just my prediction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted August 7, 2015 Share #259 Posted August 7, 2015 I have a Sony Nex 6 which supposedly has a "superior" EVF than the M240. That may be true in terms of resolution, but frankly that's not my biggest gripe with EVF's. The problem is the loss of live view while the shot is being recorded, and a certain lag until the real-time image comes back on line. A prime reason often cited as an advantage of the Leica over an SLR is the uninterrupted follow-through in the finder. An EVF's lag is much more intrusive than the momentary blackout of instant-return-mirror SLR's. And it's not the blank screen that bothers me. A frozen image of the subject as it was when I pressed the shutter is not mitigating. What I have taken to doing with my Nex 6 is using a shoe-mounted finder matched to the equivalent focal length, resorting to the EVF only for focusing. The issue of parallax is less bother to me than the EVF's temporary blindness. So an M with a built-in EVF in place of or hybridized over the OVF would not be a camera I would pay Leica prices to own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted August 7, 2015 Share #260 Posted August 7, 2015 And it will save Leica from predicted death of course... Or, if you believe some here, will cause Leica's death. It doesn't matter that we have no idea what the new camera will be. That will not stop the opinions from coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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