IkarusJohn Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2061 Posted November 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Agree. Some in this thread seem to feel that the SL, being the "higher" camera should have the most megapixels. I think they are distict lines, not distinguished by their level, but by their concept. The other thing to consider is that perhaps we're getting to the point of marginal gains. 24MP is actually plenty, EVF has reached a stage where it is better than good enough, video is excellent etc. What comes next is refinement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Ash Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2062 Posted November 21, 2015 Agree. Some in this thread seem to feel that the SL, being the "higher" camera should have the most megapixels. I think they are distict lines, not distinguished by their level, but by their concept. I agree. For the SL the frame rate and data transfer rate limited the sensor to 24MP. This does not necessarily applies to the new M. Whether a higher MP sensor is available for Leica might be a different story. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2063 Posted November 21, 2015 The SL will never have less pixels than the M folks so the only way to let the latter evolve is to launch an SL2 asap as i suggested above... IMHO of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2064 Posted November 21, 2015 The SL will never have less pixels than the M folks so the only way to let the latter evolve is to launch an SL2 asap as i suggested above... IMHO of course! Ain't gonna happen - 3 years at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2065 Posted November 21, 2015 The other thing to consider is that perhaps we're getting to the point of marginal gains. 24MP is actually plenty, EVF has reached a stage where it is better than good enough, video is excellent etc. What comes next is refinement. I don't agree. You and I can't predict what, in ten or twenty years' time, our minimum requirements will be, aside from a nice cup of tea and a blanket across our knees. It's tempting to say that what we have now is good enough (many people prefer what they never actually had twenty or more years ago) and everything else is just refinement, or even superfluous, but a huge, overwhelming amount of technology has come about not because the potential users or customers were clamouring for it but just because it became possible. And then uses were found for it, and those uses became indispensable until a new technology replaced them, and so it goes. Our cameras are perfectly capable of satisfying and exceeding the abilities of all but a very few of us, and have been for a good long time. That almost never prevents progress, for reasons that i think are fairly self-evident don't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2066 Posted November 21, 2015 Our cameras are perfectly capable of satisfying and exceeding the abilities of all but a very few of us, and have been for a good long time. And that's been true across various brands. We're living in great times gear-wise.....IQ hasn't been a limitation for some time (although one would never know it on almost any camera forum), but technology will march on....whether we need it or not. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2067 Posted November 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dunno! I am on a 2400 baud dialup on a party line. Good enough for SSSQUEEHOUGEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 21, 2015 Share #2068 Posted November 21, 2015 And that's been true across various brands. We're living in great times gear-wise.....IQ hasn't been a limitation for some time (although one would never know it on almost any camera forum), but technology will march on....whether we need it or not. Jeff Yep, that's exactly what I mean. We won't need it but it won't take long before we'll be certain that we do. Believing otherwise is largely self-delusion, though as always there's bound to be one or two wise and honourable exceptions too modest to speak up about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 22, 2015 Share #2069 Posted November 22, 2015 I don't agree. You and I can't predict what, in ten or twenty years' time, our minimum requirements will be, aside from a nice cup of tea and a blanket across our knees. It's tempting to say that what we have now is good enough (many people prefer what they never actually had twenty or more years ago) and everything else is just refinement, or even superfluous, but a huge, overwhelming amount of technology has come about not because the potential users or customers were clamouring for it but just because it became possible. And then uses were found for it, and those uses became indispensable until a new technology replaced them, and so it goes. Our cameras are perfectly capable of satisfying and exceeding the abilities of all but a very few of us, and have been for a good long time. That almost never prevents progress, for reasons that i think are fairly self-evident don't you? I do. I agree entirely. But I hope, against hope, that consumerism will change in our generation. I feel this way every time I pick up my father's hammer ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted November 22, 2015 Share #2070 Posted November 22, 2015 (I like to acknowledge his merit also because in 2008, several months before the S2 intro, when in the Forum people used to discuss about the possibility of a new "Digital R", I made a post speculating that if they would make one "it could be more than 24x36 " ... and none complimented me months after ) I still don't think he fully guessed right this time Luigi.......but I did 'acknowledge his merit' regarding the Q's frame lines (in my post 424 on page 22 of this thread) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted November 22, 2015 Share #2071 Posted November 22, 2015 Dunno! I am on a 2400 baud dialup on a party line. Good enough for SSSQUEEHOUGEE Better check your MTU. The handshake should sound better than that. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted December 6, 2015 Share #2072 Posted December 6, 2015 I do. I agree entirely. But I hope, against hope, that consumerism will change in our generation. I feel this way every time I pick up my father's hammer ... You can either have growth, innovation and progress or stagnation and death. It is not good to have things stand still, and this is why consumerism is not a bad thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 6, 2015 Share #2073 Posted December 6, 2015 You can either have growth, innovation and progress or stagnation and death. (...) And that is what they have been telling us for the last two centuries. What about a bit of innovation in that respect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted December 6, 2015 Share #2074 Posted December 6, 2015 You can either have growth, innovation and progress or stagnation and death. It is not good to have things stand still, and this is why consumerism is not a bad thing.All nice in theory but many industries have bucked that trend including the entire Swiss watch making industry ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 6, 2015 Share #2075 Posted December 6, 2015 All nice in theory but many industries have bucked that trend including the entire Swiss watch making industry ..... I thought it was the innovations of Swatch that rescued the Swiss watch making industry. Until Swatch came along with new ideas, the Swiss watchmaking industry was in dire straights, but innovation saved the day, and created the leeway for some other Swiss manufacturers to find their own new niches in the higher end of the market, sometimes called the jewellery market, not in any offensive sense. Is this not right? PS, I've just realised how many cliches and mixed metaphors I've managed to squeeze into one sentence. Beat that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted December 6, 2015 Share #2076 Posted December 6, 2015 To be black and white about this there is nothing wrong with colourful mixed metaphors. Monochrome ones might cause a nasty taste while smelling of success. Anyway, it's a level playing field but let's not get to slide down the leveraged slippery slope into kicking into the long grass when we can hit the ball for six into the next century. Take a rain check and think of a ball park figure while hoisting the flag and seeing who salutes ... OK I have run out of nonsense for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 6, 2015 Share #2077 Posted December 6, 2015 OK I have run out of nonsense for now. I find that hard to believe.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted December 7, 2015 Share #2078 Posted December 7, 2015 It's the thin end of the iceberg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted December 7, 2015 Share #2079 Posted December 7, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 7, 2015 Share #2080 Posted December 7, 2015 Things will not stand still and that is good for the consumer. Competition produces results. Digital was and is a disruptive technology that is not going to stand still, and the pace of innovation has been extremely rapid. Not just megapixels, but finders and screens and video and new formats, all of which was finally recognized as a competitive challenge by Leica, who had spent 50 years refining film technology, in the process missing the SLR boat, missing the commercial significance of autofocus, and stagnated until they woke up to a photographic world that tipping in many ways away from Leica's strengths. Call it consumerism or something else, Leica was properly worried that it was in danger of becoming irrelevant and finally woke up. I call it responding the the marketplace. What would have happened had Leica decided that it was going to stand pat? At best we might have some Panaleicas, and nothing homegrown. No digital M, no Q, no SL, no nothing. IMHO, consumer driven competition is working out well for us, so let us not complain. Nostalgia is going to get us nowhere, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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