kdriceman Posted October 10, 2013 Share #41 Posted October 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Many thanks for the shots. They look great to me!Couldn't one get pretty much these results with an M9 though? KH As you know, I've only had my M for a couple weeks, so I'm still learning about it. I will say however that the increased dynamic range is noticeable to me. Also, the usability of the M is greatly improved. The rangefinder is better. The shutter sound is much better. The build quality is better and the ability to use live view expands what you can do with the M relative to the M9. I do have the Olympus EVF and I really like having it as an option. I know you, with your Nex experience will appreciate that feature. Is it worth a couple thousand to upgrade? I don't know. Probably so for me, it is a well built, solid performer. KDR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 10, 2013 Posted October 10, 2013 Hi kdriceman, Take a look here M240 firmware FW 2.0.0.11 Update [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mirekti Posted October 10, 2013 Share #42 Posted October 10, 2013 How about some skin tones examples? I remember many complained about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2013 Share #43 Posted October 10, 2013 Hi, I am not certain, but I don't think any of the beta testers found it necessary to use a home-rolled profile (maybe they can chime in). Rick I use one ..... but the differences are very slight over embedded and adobe ..... mostly slightly more saturated blues...... which is a big difference from the old firmware where my previous profiles altered the images which substantially.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 10, 2013 Share #44 Posted October 10, 2013 Many thanks for the shots. They look great to me!Couldn't one get pretty much these results with an M9 though? errr........ the main complaint when the M appeared was the images didn't look like the M9 ...... now they do ....... the main difference is the wider dynamic range, ability to manipulate the files to a much greater extent in LR ..... without imparting horrible artefacts ... and the flexibility of LV/EVF and usage of almost any lenses ...... An M is an M9 on steroids..... if that's what you want....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 10, 2013 Share #45 Posted October 10, 2013 errr........ the main complaint when the M appeared was the images didn't look like the M9 ...... now they do ....... the main difference is the wider dynamic range, ability to manipulate the files to a much greater extent in LR ..... without imparting horrible artefacts ... and the flexibility of LV/EVF and usage of almost any lenses ...... An M is an M9 on steroids..... if that's what you want....... Thanks. Not necessarily. Having waited for an M for more than a year I can wait a little longer and first find out if the FF NEXs will be for sale and what they can and cannot do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huckles Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share #46 Posted October 11, 2013 After a few hundred test shots this morning in hard lighting/mixed lighting. I can say the new firmware has saved me 'tweaking' time in PP, which is invaluable. Certainly it can be fooled (what camera can't), but it is alot more closer to neutral and with a quick tweak here and there, it is sweet. Now if I didn't have this Noct mount coding issue, I would be in heaven! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 11, 2013 Share #47 Posted October 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... I am not certain, but I don't think any of the beta testers found it necessary to use a home-rolled profile (maybe they can chime in)... I don't use mine anymore with C1 v7. Happy not to have to create a new profile although it is not that big a deal per se. Kudos to Leica for that but the red edge issue has not gone with some of my wides (21/2.8 asph, 24/3.8 asph mainly) and it is a disappointment, let alone the unfixed startup/wakeup times but it is another story. The new microlenses are not as efficient as we could expect unfortunately. Will be interesting to see how Sony handles the problem, if any, with their forthcoming FF sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted October 11, 2013 Share #48 Posted October 11, 2013 Many thanks for the shots. They look great to me!Couldn't one get pretty much these results with an M9 though? If you make a special camera profile for the M9 or if you manipulate colours in LR then you can reach these results with an M9, too. With the M and the new firmware this is what you get out of camera in LR with Adobe Standard. Pretty cool! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted October 11, 2013 Share #49 Posted October 11, 2013 I installed the latest firmware and within minutes I was more confident, had fresher breath, happier and shinier hair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 11, 2013 Share #50 Posted October 11, 2013 Ok, I've had a think on it. Leica aren't Fuji. I now accept "Leica-speed" as being part of the experience. It doesn't make it less frustrating, but you get used to it. Knowing Leica's somewhat tainted history when it comes to FW updates I think the move to ONLY fix the colour was a wise one. I would have complained if they tried to over-reach and messed other things up, and I'm complaining anyway that they didn't do enough. So they can't 'win' either way. But yes, fix the image part of the deal first, then move on to function. Sensible play. I'm still disappointed and surprised that it was released as it was, but again, it's Leica - you get used to bad colour with a new camera. I have upgraded and see better colour already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 11, 2013 Share #51 Posted October 11, 2013 Kudos to Leica for that but the red edge issue has not gone with some of my wides (21/2.8 asph, 24/3.8 asph mainly) Yes, improved colour rendering is much appreciated! Regarding red edge: There is some weak (mis)colouring on the latest versions of the 28 and 35 Summicrons as well. Not much, but post-processing is needed for whitish subjects at/near the vertical edges (examples can be provided if there is interest). The 35/1.4 FLE and 35/2.5 Summarit are both fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luakbay Posted October 11, 2013 Share #52 Posted October 11, 2013 I just updated the new FW. Tried some shots, yes, the skin tones if much better! I think one thing at a time, the most important fix should be the "sudden death" after the LV. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted October 11, 2013 Share #53 Posted October 11, 2013 I too am very happy with this new firmware, THANKYOU Leica FW engineers, you deserve a pay rise. The colours now with AUTO-WB on my Summilux 50 ASPH now have that glow that I was looking for, that I liked so much in my "Digilux 2" which brilliantly gives life to the image..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Andersen Posted October 11, 2013 Share #54 Posted October 11, 2013 Hi. When updating, there are a message on the screen - updating firmware, do not remove the battery. When the update is done the camera just go back to normal mode, like when you turn it on. Ther are no message saying the update was successful. Is it correct? My others cameras confirms the update is done with success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 11, 2013 Share #55 Posted October 11, 2013 I am not certain, but I don't think any of the beta testers found it necessary to use a home-rolled profile (maybe they can chime in). Rick - my experience is the same as yours - no home rolling . The new FW works very well for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 11, 2013 Share #56 Posted October 11, 2013 +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intermediatic Posted October 11, 2013 Share #57 Posted October 11, 2013 So I'll be the first. Auto-ISO is thoroughly broken in mania on the M 240. This is not a feature, it is a bug and it should have been fixed in firmware. I'm glad that those of you who rely on Auto WB have that fixed. I find it rare that I see an image that I don't adjust WB in anyway. That's what I use Lightroom for. Yes, I know what Auto-ISO does. And what it does is bizarre and senseless. ISO has always been a weak point of the user interface on the digital M series, but in the M 240, it's just terrible, reducing my use of the camera to a completely manual mode in which I choose the ISO or to aperture priority mode. A semi-automatic shutter priority mode in which ISO is automatically adjusted to match shutter speed is essential to a camera in which f stop is manually selected. If anybody wants to take a shot at defending this idiotic system, just try and paraphrase what Leica's M (240) manual says. Surprise! The manual doesn't explain how it works. Why? Because even the individuals who wrote it couldn't figure it out. Either that or they were trying to gloss over the problem by not mentioning it. I don't understand how this could delay the firmware. This is an exceedingly simple matter of coding. My 8 year old writes more complex code on his Lego Mindstorms. At the very most it involves the following: Add a field to the ISO screen to choose manual ISO mode (Default and Broken). If user chooses Broken, keep the code the way it is. Else if shutter speed is not Auto, adjust ISO to give best results (this should be the same code as in auto mode, except with the shutter speed locked) to maximum ISO chosen. I do not see what is so hard with this. This is not rocket science. That this is not how Leica operates is no excuse. That's like my 11 year old daughter telling me she just isn't a person who does homework. That's no excuse. It can be done, it is not so hard. Just do it. ISO (and exposure as a whole) is a problem for the digital M series. What I really wish Leica did was add a dial like the one that If first saw on a Canon G compact cameras so you can choose the ISO without an on-screen menu. While Leica is at it, they should have EV adjustment built into the shutter speed dial as the Contax G did. As it is now, it's not easy to select at all. Doing these two things would give the camera far more versatility for photographers who don't want to treat it like a glorified point and shoot with manual focus and manual aperture. This is a long rant, but coming from a design background and having quite a bit of experience in user interface design, I think about such things more than many people. I am deeply concerned that Leica will not fix this problem or, if they will, might do it in a year when the cameras are finally available in stores and customers give feedback that they won't buy it because ISO under manual is broken. For a camera that is to have a life of perhaps only two years before the next major revision comes out, this is a tragic blow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 11, 2013 Share #58 Posted October 11, 2013 Hi.When updating, there are a message on the screen - updating firmware, do not remove the battery. When the update is done the camera just go back to normal mode, like when you turn it on. Ther are no message saying the update was successful. Is it correct? My others cameras confirms the update is done with success. It didnt finish the upload Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 11, 2013 Share #59 Posted October 11, 2013 Hi.When updating, there are a message on the screen - updating firmware, do not remove the battery. When the update is done the camera just go back to normal mode, like when you turn it on. Ther are no message saying the update was successful. Is it correct? My others cameras confirms the update is done with success. There is a message that it is complete but it only stays on screen for a second or so. Look to see the FW version in Menu if unsure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted October 11, 2013 Share #60 Posted October 11, 2013 Glad to hear the AWB issues are improved for M owners...but why do you guys actually use awb at all? I always leave mine on Daylight and then its just so much easier to see what the light actually looked like...and finding something neutral in the image to place my LR 'white balance selector' on has in most cases never been a problem when I do want to fiddle with the white balance. Also when photographing late afternoon for instance, why would one want to 'balance' away the warm afternoon light? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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