IkarusJohn Posted May 28, 2013 Share #681 Posted May 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mr. Daniel is head of the M section - he is hardly likely to take responsibility for another division. That's as may be, Jaap - but it was he who went into considerable detail about the gap-filler, compact system camera, taking M lenses, with AF at some stage in the future. Dr Kaufmann's subsequent attempts to hose the rumour down have not damped demand. A full frame camera with a fixed 35/2 lens (made by Zeiss) is very attractive compared to this ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Hi IkarusJohn, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted May 28, 2013 Share #682 Posted May 28, 2013 Well, I was flamed in this thread for not being over the moon with whatever this will turn out to be.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 28, 2013 Share #683 Posted May 28, 2013 ... A full frame camera with a fixed 35/2 lens (made by Zeiss) is very attractive compared to this ... Yes - just look at the size of the lens-opening of the Zeiss-lens, if you see it in the perspective the leaks seems to show us. The opening of the "Leica"- lens should be much, much smaller. Is it? The Digilux 2 lens (f/2 -/f2.4 with 28-90mm FF-equivalent) has already been mentioned. Is the leaked lens looking much, much smaller - it should look so for f/3.5-f/6.4. Try looking at a photo of the CM-Zoom f3.5-f/5.6 - wider opened than the leaked lens. It is a very tiny lens - for 35mm format: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/index.php/Datei:Cm-zoom.jpg Does it fit to the "photo" in the leak? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 28, 2013 Share #684 Posted May 28, 2013 It doesn't look like a fake... ..?! No. maybe, but the front is so darkened (and/or photoshopped) that it could hide a lens' button release... (but if the shoe is correct, the thickness is not of a M....) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 28, 2013 Share #685 Posted May 28, 2013 Yes - just look at the size of the lens-opening of the Zeiss-lens, if you see it in the perspective the leaks seems to show us. The opening of the "Leica"- lens should be much, much smaller. Is it? The Digilux 2 lens (f/2 -/f2.4 with 28-90mm FF-equivalent) has already been mentioned. Is the leaked lens looking much, much smaller - it should look so for f/3.5-f/6.4. Try looking at a photo of the CM-Zoom f3.5-f/5.6 - wider opened than the leaked lens. It is a very tiny lens - for 35mm format: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/index.php/Datei:Cm-zoom.jpg Does it fit to the "photo" in the leak? You may have a point, Uli. I will suspend my disbelief for a couple of weeks. Perhaps it is a very good joke on the rest of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldchen96 Posted May 28, 2013 Share #686 Posted May 28, 2013 This surely must be a fake. Did anyone mention the zoom-range discrepancy on front and barrel yet? Oops! Sorry, Tri did so already... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TW528 Posted May 28, 2013 Share #687 Posted May 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The mock-up, real or not, looks very much like the original Digilux 2, a much loved camera. Why the criticism when that camera had so many fans? Because it has a very slow lens for a mild zoom and lacks an EVF. It's sort of the anti-Digilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted May 28, 2013 Share #688 Posted May 28, 2013 I do not really understand what Leica tries, with this mini, micro 'spoke'. They just mess up everything. The leaked photo shows an X variant. A mini M must at least be able to use M lenses. I'm long done with guns and "shoot" only with photo cameras. But no one can deny that this manufacturer had put things in a certain system. Uzi - Sub-Machine Gun (SMG) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205247-mini-m-merged-aka-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2333019'>More sharing options...
pico Posted May 28, 2013 Share #689 Posted May 28, 2013 Negativity abounds now just as it did before the M was seen. Now 'real' customers are anxious to get one. Speaking only for myself, I would be happy for an EVIL, no-RF, full- frame camera that accepted M lenses. In fact, it would be the only model to keep me in the digital line, supplementing the M9. BTW, I posted a similar image as the French publication. Just dreaming? Perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TW528 Posted May 28, 2013 Share #690 Posted May 28, 2013 Try looking at a photo of the CM-Zoom f3.5-f/5.6 - wider opened than the leaked lens. It is a very tiny lens - for 35mm format: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.de/index.php/Datei:Cm-zoom.jpg I was going to mention the CM Zoom as I recall it having a poor aperture range (actually f3.5 to 6.5) and I also recall it being a rather poor seller compared to the regular CM that I owned. When the X1 came out people were calling it the digital CM so it's funny that the XV aka 'mini M' is essentially the digital CM Zoom... right down to the disappointing lens. I see it has the same knobs as the X2 including a non-threaded shutter release. I wonder if it will share a display with the X2 or the M240. Hopefully the M240 but you never know with Leica. If it wasn't for the slow lens this would be on my list. I really can't get past f6.5 at 70mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted May 28, 2013 Share #691 Posted May 28, 2013 I vote for Pico as head of development. If this is June 11th's surprise, I'm rather glad I purchased another GXR M mount sensor last week. I'm going to rinse some Aberlour around my mouth. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted May 28, 2013 Share #692 Posted May 28, 2013 Negativity abounds now just as it did before the M was seen. Now 'real' customers are anxious to get one. Speaking only for myself, I would be happy for an EVIL, no-RF, full- frame camera that accepted M lenses. In fact, it would be the only model to keep me in the digital line, supplementing the M9. BTW, I posted a similar image as the French publication. Just dreaming? Perhaps. Pico - I think you know a lot about this mini M model. Are you a beta tester? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 28, 2013 Share #693 Posted May 28, 2013 You may have a point, Uli. I will suspend my disbelief for a couple of weeks. Perhaps it is a very good joke on the rest of us. Well, I have to confess, that I got the impression that the leaked lens has a large lens opening only looking on a very small monitor... When I look now, it might be, that the real lens is recessed deep in the housing - and then it looks tiny - much better fitting a f/3.5-f6.4 opening. But then: why build such a huge "body" around the small optics - only to enlarge the body of camera? If you compare it to the CM Zoom-lens it could have a much more economic size. Either the leak is a fake very well done - or the new lens and camera are very badly done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 28, 2013 Share #694 Posted May 28, 2013 Sun is shining (after a very cold blast), and my M3 is loaded with film - I'm going to take some pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted May 28, 2013 Share #695 Posted May 28, 2013 Not sure if bland is the leica way this all looks iffy smells fishy but then again I just came back from the fish market Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 28, 2013 Share #696 Posted May 28, 2013 Well, I have to confess, that I got the impression that the leaked lens has a large lens opening only looking on a very small monitor... When I look now, it might be, that the real lens is recessed deep in the housing - and then it looks tiny - much better fitting a f/3.5-f6.4 opening. But then: why build such a huge "body" around the small optics - only to enlarge the body of camera? If you compare it to the CM Zoom-lens it could have a much more economic size. Either the leak is a fake very well done - or the new lens and camera are very badly done. If it's not fake, why put an M8 style top deck on it? Also, it has video, which suggests a CMOSIS sensor. It all seems a lot of effort for a pretty poor lens ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted May 28, 2013 Share #697 Posted May 28, 2013 Negativity abounds now just as it did before the M was seen. Now 'real' customers are anxious to get one. Speaking only for myself, I would be happy for an EVIL, no-RF, full- frame camera that accepted M lenses. In fact, it would be the only model to keep me in the digital line, supplementing the M9. BTW, I posted a similar image as the French publication. Just dreaming? Perhaps. Yes please!. Just give me a second body that accepts leica lenses without rangefinder on an M mount. I'd like to be able to do macro photography. Then I can get rid of my NEX7 which I really dislike. It's impossible to consistently manage the settings. Proprietary technology. Too light and unstable, and built in Sony quality to last only the short period until the next model is released, or the camera falls apart as it did on a recent trip. . I may represent a minority, but I recently purchased my M9-P to get away from Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, Olympus. Please don't drag me back into that environment! . I love my M9 and I love the challenge of the shoot. No machine gunning, no automation to interfere with my creativity. No lens factor. No motor in the lens. NO VIDEO! NO PLASTIC! I think that the Leica / Panasonic partnership is muddying the water. The danger is that Leica will introduce a body to suit Panasonic lenses. Then Leica will morph into Panasonic and commercial greed will dominate the choice of product line and future development. I can only hope that the rangefinder will survive. It's amazing, exciting and challenging and delivers great results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomv Posted May 28, 2013 Share #698 Posted May 28, 2013 A+++++ for Leica product marketing. They did really stir the pot and look at all the speculation, haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 28, 2013 Share #699 Posted May 28, 2013 I rather think the "leaked" image is bogus. The engraving on the front bezel of the lens looks as if several strings were engraved on straight lines and then roughly assembled in parallel to the rim of the lens. Some of the angles of the hyphens look quite peculiar. Also, why does the X2 sport a serial# on the front of the lens and the "X vario" does not? There's still hope, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 28, 2013 Share #700 Posted May 28, 2013 Pico - I think you know a lot about this mini M model. Are you a beta tester? Heavens no. If I were at all associated with Leica I would certainly not post about a future product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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