Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16021 Posted September 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anyone else? The model number is less than 600. Not sure how Wilson defines "somewhat". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 13, 2021 Posted September 13, 2021 Hi Rona!d, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stuny Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16022 Posted September 13, 2021 That suggests the very common displacement of 500 CC Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16023 Posted September 13, 2021 17 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: I suspect it might be known by a number somewhat less than 600... Ah! In which case is it a rebodied 2012 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano?... Philip. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16024 Posted September 13, 2021 Too high 😄 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16025 Posted September 13, 2021 vor 2 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: Too high 😄 Indeed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16026 Posted September 13, 2021 vor 2 Stunden schrieb pippy: Ah! In which case is it a rebodied 2012 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano?... Philip. The 599 GTB is a volume model, the car shown is much rarer! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16027 Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, Rona!d said: The 599 GTB is a volume model, the car shown is much rarer! I'm relieved to hear it!..... Is it a German Army mid-50's IFA-P2? I'm not really up on my Military Vehicles and it looks a bit like one but IIRC the bonnet isn't quite correct. Philip. Edited September 13, 2021 by pippy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16028 Posted September 13, 2021 vor 18 Minuten schrieb pippy: Is it a German Army mid-50's IFA-P2? I'm not really up on my Military Vehicles and it looks a bit like one but IIRC the bonnet isn't quite correct. It´s not an IFA although it was ment to be(come) a German Army vehicle. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16029 Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) Ronald, Do you know how many were made? I have seen photos of at least two somewhat different looking ones, although they may be the same vehicle at different stages in its development. The history book I have in France devotes just a single line to it (them) in the appendix. Wilson Edited September 13, 2021 by wlaidlaw Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16030 Posted September 13, 2021 Wilson, I‘ll name the details and numbers after the riddle has been solved (or via PN). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasstellwag Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16031 Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) ok, I do not like the version of Munga with Opel engine, this misses the torque of the 2 stroke original in mud - we´ve tested it is "your" car a Goliath Jagdwagen? Edited September 13, 2021 by thomasstellwag spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16032 Posted September 13, 2021 vor einer Stunde schrieb thomasstellwag: is "your" car a Goliath Jagdwagen? Great, you got it! This is the improved second version of the Goliath Jagdwagen (type 34) with 4-stroke engine. Wilson thought of the Porsche Jagdwagen, hence the number somewhat less than 600 😉 All were part of the test of the German Army (Munga, Goliath, Porsche) to decide which was best. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16033 Posted September 13, 2021 I wonder if the Porsche 597 had lift off oversteer? Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16034 Posted September 13, 2021 vor 38 Minuten schrieb wlaidlaw: I wonder if the Porsche 597 had lift off oversteer? Wilson At least it´s known that it has steering problems at higher speeds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 13, 2021 Share #16035 Posted September 13, 2021 vor 7 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: Ronald, Do you know how many were made? I have seen photos of at least two somewhat different looking ones, although they may be the same vehicle at different stages in its development. The history book I have in France devotes just a single line to it (them) in the appendix. Wilson Among many small changes two basic types known: a) < 1957 (no doors) b) 1957 > (4 doors and different "steeper" front) They also switched the engine from prototype to pre-series (1.6 ltr., 50hp). While Porsche officially talks about 71 cars made, other sources say about 100 made (after the "flat side" Reutter prototype a lot of 49 cars for Army testing and Porsche decided to build another lot of about 50 cars for clients (farmers, forestry, hunters). Many of the cars ment to be for private customers also ended at the Army, so these might be double counted, hence some think of about 100 cars made while 66-71 cars is the more precise number made. Some early prototypes, about 20 pre-series cars for testing and the final lot which includes the "private" cars. The first 597 was made by Reutter who couldn´t build the planned series of 10.000 cars needed (in case of Army order) and who would have been much too expensive. The later versions with the stiffening seams were made at Karmann if I recall correctly. All I know is that the last 597 left service at the Bundeswehr around 1972. They remained there for test and comparison reasons with future vehicles. About 50 known cars have survived and are listed in the clubs registry. When the Army asked for such a vehicle in the 1950s they hoped volume maker Volkswagen would build test cars as they had war-experience with type 82 and 166. VW was not interested and Porsche/Goliath were too expensive and/or not good enough. VW later sent the 181 THING but this was not 4WD and it´s main purpose was being a courier vehicle. The first serious VW (made by Audi) was the 4WD Iltis which replaced the DKW Munga and inspired Bensinger/Piech to build the famous Audi Quattros. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasstellwag Posted September 14, 2021 Share #16036 Posted September 14, 2021 can I pass over to someone else? I have nothing rare to show here and for sure no more Leica pictures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 14, 2021 Share #16037 Posted September 14, 2021 vor 8 Minuten schrieb thomasstellwag: can I pass over to someone else? I have nothing rare to show here and for sure no more Leica pictures. Thomas, just post a car, even a modern one from your neighbourhood. I´m sure we will have more trouble naming a Kia than a Goliath 😉 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted September 14, 2021 Share #16038 Posted September 14, 2021 vor 1 Stunde schrieb Rona!d: Thomas, just post a car, even a modern one from your neighbourhood. I´m sure we will have more trouble naming a Kia than a Goliath 😉 What is a "Kia"? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasstellwag Posted September 14, 2021 Share #16039 Posted September 14, 2021 o.k. you made me getting a quick picture Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4275109'>More sharing options...
a.j.z Posted September 14, 2021 Share #16040 Posted September 14, 2021 This looks like a compact class "estate", slightly spiced up at least visually. Fiat? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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