wlaidlaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11781 Posted January 10, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 hours ago, hektor said: Dear Wilson, Does that not lose the character, fun and challenge of using a screw-thread Leica? I know one should not argue by analogy, but I would liken it to fitting low profile radial-ply tyres to a vintage car. Kind regards, No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
hektor Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11782 Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: No I suppose we all have a different approaches to photography. Mine has two aspects: photography and the history of photography. For photography I use the latest Leica lenses, these days fitted to Sony cameras. However for the history of photography and the challenges therein I enjoy screw thread cameras, my father's M3, the M2 bought at a discount when the M4 was introduced, and an M5. With them are contemporary lenses; and with them are used films as close as possible to the characteristics of the film then available. To replicate the challenges of the photographers of the period neutral density or coloured filter are applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Merte Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11783 Posted January 10, 2019 47 minutes ago, wlaidlaw said: No That is a bit of an abrupt reply. Wilson, maybe you can elaborate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11784 Posted January 10, 2019 If Oscar Barnack or Max Berek were around today and still using screw mount cameras, I am sure they would use the best lenses they could get on them. The very best LTM lenses ever made were the three 1999 Special Edition lenses, 50 Summicron V and Summilux III and 35 ASPH Summicron. Not only were they advanced optical design but they are beautifully made as well. I do occasionally use older lenses, particularly the 35/2.8 Summaron, 50/2 Summar, 50/1.5 Summarit and 85/1.5 Summarex but for general use, I want the best results I can get and that then means the 1999 lenses. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11785 Posted January 10, 2019 Wilson - A mystery car? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11786 Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, stuny said: Wilson - A mystery car? Already done back here Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11787 Posted January 10, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry. It makes me think of a Frazier Nash, but I don't think that's correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11788 Posted January 10, 2019 Nothing like as good as a Frazer Nash - go way down in standards. 😃 My father's comments were along the lines of "......and you are seriously asking me to consider this as an alternative to a Lancia Flavia Coupé - really????" Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11789 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Yes I thought the wires / headlight / scoop looked promising initially (the bumper is a bit AM 2/4ish) but looking more closely it seems a bit plastic fantastic... Not an early Gilbern but maybe something equally niche and (ahem) a bit rough? The lines seem slightly “off”. Edited January 10, 2019 by NigelG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11790 Posted January 10, 2019 Think I was mistakenly taking the side detail as a repeater lamp - now I suspect it’s a release for the part clamshell bonnet. I think the bonnet scoop suggests a GT racer for this particular niche-of a niche marque I’m thinking of but release is not a racing sort and the bumpers are road spec....so I’m wondering if is a road spec version of a racer? Could it be named after a Midlands city. More digging required..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11791 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, NigelG said: Think I was mistakenly taking the side detail as a repeater lamp - now I suspect it’s a release for the part clamshell bonnet. I think the bonnet scoop suggests a GT racer for this particular niche-of a niche marque I’m thinking of but release is not a racing sort and the bumpers are road spec....so I’m wondering if is a road spec version of a racer? Could it be named after a Midlands city. More digging required..... You're going in the correct direction but from memory of over 50 years ago, I think it was the earlier version of that car with an over optimistic name. Wilson PS This one did not have the usual engine (a rough old nail) but I am not sure if what was fitted had been fully developed. Edited January 10, 2019 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11792 Posted January 10, 2019 11 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: If Oscar Barnack or Max Berek were around today and still using screw mount cameras, I am sure they would use the best lenses they could get on them. The very best LTM lenses ever made were the three 1999 Special Edition lenses, 50 Summicron V and Summilux III and 35 ASPH Summicron. Not only were they advanced optical design but they are beautifully made as well. I do occasionally use older lenses, particularly the 35/2.8 Summaron, 50/2 Summar, 50/1.5 Summarit and 85/1.5 Summarex but for general use, I want the best results I can get and that then means the 1999 lenses. Wilson Dear Wilson, To take your suggestion to its logical conclusion I imagine Herren Barnack und Berek would use an M7 similar to my 0.85 à la carte built to finer tolerances than what was available to them. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3662348'>More sharing options...
Oscar Merte Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11793 Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, hektor said: To take your suggestion to its logical conclusion I imagine Herren Barnack und Berek would use an M7 similar to my 0.85 à la carte built to finer tolerances than what was available to them. If I may join the debate, when applying the criteria Oskar and Max worked to, today they might use a camera with an APS-C sensor and 33.7mm standard lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11794 Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Oscar Merte said: If I may join the debate, when applying the criteria Oskar and Max worked to, today they might use a camera with an APS-C sensor and 33.7mm standard lens. Dear Oscar, I think Wilson is confining the discussion to film cameras, and if so I imagine, with the advent of t-grain film, Herren Barnack und Berek would have designed and made a half-frame camera with 30mm standard lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 10, 2019 Share #11795 Posted January 10, 2019 I have an M7, currently away for repair after its gear train jammed at an extremely inconvenient moment some two months ago at a 100 years remembrance ceremony at Kew Gardens. Also because my damaged and now very arthritic right thumb does not like lever winds, I have a Motor-M on my M7 and a M4-2 Motor on my M4-P. These make them too big to fit in a pocket. A Model III or my IIIg with the 50 Summicron fits in a coat pocket. My Barnack cameras, if in good condition seem to be more reliable than my M's as well. I have never had any of my Barnacks fail on me in 60 years, after they have been put in good condition. My M7 jammed, only about 24 months after a Wetzlar CLA, because they had not greased the anti wind back latch, which allowed the locking disc to go out of sync. My M4-P's motor died with a failed solder joint and my M4 some years ago, had a shutter blind tape fail. Back to cars I think Nigel has a very good idea of what it is. The only other one of these cars I have ever seen was racing, when I was at Spa in 2011 or 12 (I forget which year I saw it, as I was there both years). Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Merte Posted January 11, 2019 Share #11796 Posted January 11, 2019 9 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: I have an M7, currently away for repair after its gear train jammed at an extremely inconvenient moment some two months ago at a 100 years remembrance ceremony at Kew Gardens. Also because my damaged and now very arthritic right thumb does not like lever winds, I have a Motor-M on my M7 and a M4-2 Motor on my M4-P. What films do you and Hektor use. For digital I use an SL and for film a Leica M-A which so far (2 years) has been perfect. I am interested in what film is used by more experienced Leica users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted January 11, 2019 Share #11797 Posted January 11, 2019 11 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: Back to cars I think Nigel has a very good idea of what it is. The only other one of these cars I have ever seen was racing, when I was at Spa in 2011 or 12 (I forget which year I saw it, as I was there both years) Wilson I have yet to find any image of the combination of bonnet cowl and road bumpers/bonnet releases used on either of the two linked marques/cars....learning a lot about this rather forgotten (by me at least) venture..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 11, 2019 Share #11798 Posted January 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Oscar Merte said: What films do you and Hektor use. For digital I use an SL and for film a Leica M-A which so far (2 years) has been perfect. I am interested in what film is used by more experienced Leica users. For B&W I use Adox Silvermax 100, Fomapan 200 and Rollei 400S. For colour reversal (90%+ of my colour usage) I use Agfa Précisa CT100 (no longer made but I have around 30 rolls in the freezer). I have also bought 3 rolls of Ektachrome E100 to try, as I am not a big fan of the blue/green tint Fuji reversal films. Fuji made the Précisa for Agfa using Provia emulsion but Agfa specified a brown tinted substrate to correct the colour balance to suit western eyes better (over the millennia, colour perceptions from east to west have diverged slightly). For my rare use of colour negative, I use Ektra 100 or Reala/Superia 1600. Portra 160 is better than Ektra if you are having it professionally processed and printed but I have found that Ektra seems to scan better, using my Leitz BEOON film copying device, a Schneider-Kreuznach 50/2.8 Componon S lens and an SL601 camera. I think we have probably diverged from cars enough on this thread. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 11, 2019 Share #11799 Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, NigelG said: Wilson I have yet to find any image of the combination of bonnet cowl and road bumpers/bonnet releases used on either of the two linked marques/cars....learning a lot about this rather forgotten (by me at least) venture..... Go on be brave and say what they were. I have doubts if anyone else would get it. It only came back to me when I was looking through an old album. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 11, 2019 Share #11800 Posted January 11, 2019 5 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: For B&W I use Adox Silvermax 100, Fomapan 200 and Rollei 400S. For colour reversal (90%+ of my colour usage) I use Agfa Précisa CT100 I have also bought 3 rolls of Ektachrome E100 to try. Fuji made the Précisa for Agfa using Provia emulsion but Agfa specified a brown tinted substrate to correct the colour balance to suit western eyes better (over the millennia, colour perceptions from east to west have diverged slightly). For my rare use of colour negative, I use Ektra 100 or Reala/Superia 1600. Portra 160 is better than Ektra if you are having it professionally processed As Wilson suggested, this is a topic for another thread, however I use a variety of films in the M7, mostly Ektachrome. IMHO nothing beats a good slide show according to the publication produced some years ago by Leitz “Tips on Slide Projection”. I had Leica modify two 250w Pradovits to lift their projected colour temperature and remove the green cast from the heat filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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