Rona!d Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16761 Posted January 3, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 13 Stunden schrieb hektor: I don't think there is a place for "custom rods" at Pebble Beach. That is wrong, hektor. At least in 2001 they had a special "hot rod" prize and invited six iconic Hot Rods to take part. This vehicle isn´t a hot rod. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rona!d Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16762 Posted January 3, 2022 I would think this is a Bugatti Type 50S (chassis-no. 50117, coachwork by Million-Guiet - these details I had to look up). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16763 Posted January 3, 2022 Only 65 of the type 50 were made. The first Bugatti with two overhead camshafts. 200 bhp and 0-60 in 8 seconds. Incredible for 1931. Pity about the non-original and uncomplimentary colour. Why it received an award surprised me. Even the door handles were not horizontal and I imagine the dip-stick had oil on it !!! 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16764 Posted January 3, 2022 It was grey-black when "Jack" sold it to Mullin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16765 Posted January 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Rona!d said: I would think this is a Bugatti Type 50S (chassis-no. 50117, coachwork by Million-Guiet - these details I had to look up). All correct, Ronald, except for one detail, which probably is only of importance to the hyper-obsessed, but I don't think it's an 'S' model. In Bugatti parlance, the S model designation stood for 'surbaisse', with the best, most accurate translation in this instance would be 'underslung' - referring to the rear suspension design, which I believe Ettore's son Jean innovated at the inception of the 1936 57SC series. This design allowed for much lower cars, hence better handling, and 50117 appears to have the traditional frame structure. (Attached please see a period schematic of an 'Atlantiic' coupe showing the arrangement of the leaf-spring suspended rear axle - not my photo ). JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4344372'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16766 Posted January 3, 2022 ............and a rear view - please note the beautiful, 'hi-tec' for the era alloy wheels incorporating the brake drums. Your turn, Ronald. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4344374'>More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16767 Posted January 3, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) John, I added "S" later as it was noted somewhere. If I got it right, this 1931 was if not "the first" but "one of the early ones". Do you have any information about the change of the color scheme over the years? From the 1961 show win I only know b&w photos. Later color snaps show a grey and black car (until around 2011). I know the period big 16 cyls of Marmon and Cadillac were in green/black, so this color combo might be "period" but what about this car? Anyone of the Bugatti guys have detailed info? I´ll post the next tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16768 Posted January 3, 2022 Chassis # 50117 was one of the three 1931 Le Mans works cars Ettore sent. It crashed with Conelli and killed a spectator. Sources say the soft Michelin tyres weren’t strong enough for the Type 50 in racing condition. In 1934 and 1935 it appeared again in the 24hrs. but failed. Not sure if it was a coupe in the beginning as at least one of the three 1931 Le Mans works cars was an open car. Also not sure if some people falsely called it an „S“ for the more powerful race engine (275 hp. vs 225 hp). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 3, 2022 Share #16769 Posted January 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, Rona!d said: Sources say the soft Michelin tyres weren’t strong enough. I had a set of Michelin tyres on my Audi S6. The firewalls shredded. I now run Dunlops; am on my second set and they have been excellent, particularly in the wet. With all-wheel drive it is hard to get it sideways. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 4, 2022 Share #16770 Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, hektor said: I had a set of Michelin tyres on my Audi S6. The firewalls shredded. I now run Dunlops; am on my second set and they have been excellent, particularly in the wet. With all-wheel drive it is hard to get it sideways. I meant sidewalls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted January 4, 2022 Share #16771 Posted January 4, 2022 https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/chassis/1926/Bugatti-Type-50-Million-Guiet-Coupe-50117.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham (G4FUJ) Posted January 4, 2022 Share #16772 Posted January 4, 2022 I should have recognised this car! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 4, 2022 Share #16773 Posted January 4, 2022 It is interesting that Ettore made snide comments about Bentley making the world's fastest trucks and then made one himself. One interesting difference which Ettore would have done well to note is that the Speed Six has excellent brakes for the period, with a very effective vacuum servo. Both 50's I have driven, had terrible brakes, where even the owners warned me before driving them. Wilson 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 5, 2022 Share #16774 Posted January 5, 2022 And here the next one, gents. Had to dig a bit 😉 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4345653'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 5, 2022 Share #16775 Posted January 5, 2022 the curve makes me think of a 300 SL, but the bumper overriders are not in the right place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 5, 2022 Share #16776 Posted January 5, 2022 vor einer Stunde schrieb stuny: the curve makes me think of a 300 SL, but the bumper overriders are not in the right place. Not an 300SL but same period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 5, 2022 Share #16777 Posted January 5, 2022 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Rona!d: And here the next one, gents. I am sure I have seen this before, but can't quite remember what model it is. Something German from the fifties or sixties I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted January 5, 2022 Share #16778 Posted January 5, 2022 While not a 300SL, is it a Mercedes Benz? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 6, 2022 Share #16779 Posted January 6, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb Michael Hiles: While not a 300SL, is it a Mercedes Benz? Not a Mercedes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted January 6, 2022 Share #16780 Posted January 6, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb wizard: I am sure I have seen this before, but can't quite remember what model it is. Something German from the fifties or sixties I believe. Pretty vaguely. Maybe you remember what you have seen where. 50/60s quite possible as already mentioned above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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