Overgaard Posted November 6, 2009 Share #221 Posted November 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm afraid I don't know enough about photography to make best use of it. Frustratingly, I do already know that I want a high-quality, digital, full-format camera that is as small as possible...Mmmm9:rolleyes: I think owning a small japanese designed camera or a large dSLR will give you that feeling that "I don't know enough about photography." Fact is that those cameras are so complicated you can't know what's up and down. The great thing about the M simplicity is that you can rather fast learn how things work. After all, it's basically only adjustment of the amount of light. That's all there is to it, and the M9 is about that. Not all other stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 Hi Overgaard, Take a look here Who hasn't bought an M9 and why?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted November 6, 2009 Share #222 Posted November 6, 2009 I didn't buy one, first of all because I'm way short in funds (I've invested in lenses) and second because I'm waiting for a second series with the troubles fixed up. Third I'm no guy born to stay in a waiting list. Will buy one when I can get into a shop, point for it and get out with the camera in my hands after paying the due. Enrico... guarda caso direi che sono al 99% nella tua situazione e con le tue stesse idee a riguardo...... in fondo che fretta c'è ? La M8 va alla grande... il "salto" con la M9 è da vedere come si concretizza con futuro firmware/versione e simili... e l'idea di stare in lista d'attesa come se fosse il Sacro Graal mi fa sentire ridicolo... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Manley Posted November 6, 2009 Share #223 Posted November 6, 2009 The tax guy says I have to wait until 2010 to add more to my inventory!! We'll see. Tina I do have one now! I just have to sell enough photos to pay for it! Tina Tina Manley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted November 6, 2009 Share #224 Posted November 6, 2009 I do have one now! I just have to sell enough photos to pay for it! Tina Tina Manley That's the spirit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted November 6, 2009 Share #225 Posted November 6, 2009 Enrico... guarda caso direi che sono al 99% nella tua situazione e con le tue stesse idee a riguardo...... in fondo che fretta c'è ? La M8 va alla grande... il "salto" con la M9 è da vedere come si concretizza con futuro firmware/versione e simili... e l'idea di stare in lista d'attesa come se fosse il Sacro Graal mi fa sentire ridicolo... Luigi, il mio esatto pensiero. E la M8 va veramente alla grande. Probabilmente ci penserò a metà dell'anno prossimo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted November 6, 2009 Share #226 Posted November 6, 2009 1. I do not have the money yet 2. I want to wait until sometime next year to see if all the bugs (if any) are taken care of 3. I would like the most advanced firmware 4. I WANT SILVER CHROME!!!!! GIVE ME CHROME! GIVE ME CHROME!!! GIVE ME CHROME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted November 6, 2009 Share #227 Posted November 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Along with my M8s and Canons I used an M9 constantly for a week thanks to the generosity of a colleague who happened to be going on a week-long shoot that called for different equipment (I loaned him all 3 of my Canon TS-E lenses in return). I found that I still needed to use IR filters on the M9 in some instances, but there was no in-camera correction for the cyan drift, so an added step in post for me. I found that needing to light the rear screen to see shot count and battery condition brought me unwanted negative attention in the darkened theatres where I shoot frequently. I found the 1 metre framelines an unpleasant backslide from the 2 metre framelines in my upgraded M8s and 8.2. I thought Leica was finally listening to pros again, but evidently not. The improvement in high-ISO noise was disappointingly little compared to the performance of my Canons. It seemed that Leica put all their focus on making full-frame work, leaving other issues only partially solved, and backsliding on others. And as a long-time professional user of full-frame digital, the 1.3 crop of an M8 is not the earth-shattering issue it seems to be to hobbyists. I think the M9 is a fine camera, but for the CDN$7500 it would cost me after trade of an M8, it is not a worthwhile expense for me (note that I do not refer to a camera as an "investment", not even a Leica ). Perhaps when the next model appears, which I suspect will be Photokina 2010, I will be able to buy a barely-used M9 for 2/3 of the current cost--perhaps even from someone here! Then perhaps I might consider it as a replacement for one of my M8s, so I can use my 12mm lens at its full FOV, it being the only FOV which can't be effected on an M8 by substitution of a wider lens. Or perhaps there will be an M9.2 in Spring 2010 that will incorporate the good M8 features deleted (top screen, 2m framelines, sapphire glass) and have firmware to correct cyan drift when IR filters must be used, and I may buy one even if it has the same sensor. Or, I may just wait until Photokina 2010 for an M10 with a sensor that has at least as good high-ISO performance as my Canons. PS: The colleague who loaned me his M9 has since sold it to a friend (amateur), having decided it did not suit him for much the same reason it did not suit me. He continues to use a pair of M8s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 6, 2009 Share #228 Posted November 6, 2009 Luigi, il mio esatto pensiero. E la M8 va veramente alla grande. Probabilmente ci penserò a metà dell'anno prossimo. da 99 a 100%... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted November 6, 2009 Share #229 Posted November 6, 2009 da 99 a 100%... Anch'io! Ciao, Luigi e Enrico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 6, 2009 Share #230 Posted November 6, 2009 Along with my M8s and Canons I used an M9 constantly for a week........... The forum gets more like Jackanory every day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 6, 2009 Share #231 Posted November 6, 2009 I think you'll have to elaborate, Ian. Not everybody watched the BBC in the late last century.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 6, 2009 Share #232 Posted November 6, 2009 I was hoping for the high ISO smear and waxy skin of my $8,000. CMOS Canons. Instead I get these irritatingly crisp images with sublime detail. Now I have to photoshop all these images with Gaussian Blur. Grrr. Perhaps even more exasperating, I cannot brag on the internet that I used ISO 25,000 for a shot that could have been done at 1000. I can't wait to squeeze ISO 100,000+ into an online conversation touting the my latest Nikon. I was depressed to near suicide to find the squinty little frame count window missing from the M9 ... I loved it so when I whipped out my flash light to see it when shooting in a dark conditions ... it was all so theatrical. Oh, and don't get me started on the missing IR filters I so dearly loved on the M8 ... gone are those charming double reflections of specular highlights that were always such a good conversation starter with clients. I am most angry about the fact this is all so small for so much money. My Nikon D3X LOOKS like it cost $8000. to all the bimbos I try to impress ... where this puny thing looks like a P&S that everyone and her brother has. $7,000. to $8,000. should buy a manly man's camera ... so the chics can heft it, and exclaim how strong I am while stroking my biceps. Not to mention the inept dealer didn't have a second M9 so I could off load the back-up M8 before it's worth less than a 15 year old M6. : -) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted November 6, 2009 Share #233 Posted November 6, 2009 I was hoping for the high ISO smear and waxy skin of my $8,000. CMOS Canons. Instead I get these irritatingly crisp images with sublime detail. Now I have to photoshop all these images with Gaussian Blur. Grrr. Perhaps even more exasperating, I cannot brag on the internet that I used ISO 25,000 for a shot that could have been done at 1000. I can't wait to squeeze ISO 100,000+ into an online conversation touting the my latest Nikon. I was depressed to near suicide to find the squinty little frame count window missing from the M9 ... I loved it so when I whipped out my flash light to see it when shooting in a dark conditions ... it was all so theatrical. Oh, and don't get me started on the missing IR filters I so dearly loved on the M8 ... gone are those charming double reflections of specular highlights that were always such a good conversation starter with clients. I am most angry about the fact this is all so small for so much money. My Nikon D3X LOOKS like it cost $8000. to all the bimbos I try to impress ... where this puny thing looks like a P&S that everyone and her brother has. $7,000. to $8,000. should buy a manly man's camera ... so the chics can heft it, and exclaim how strong I am while stroking my biceps. Not to mention the inept dealer didn't have a second M9 so I could off load the back-up M8 before it's worth less than a 15 year old M6. : -) :D:D I love this. You just gave me the laugh of the week. Possibly of the month. Or maybe the century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice MacRae Posted November 6, 2009 Share #234 Posted November 6, 2009 All of the above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 6, 2009 Share #235 Posted November 6, 2009 I still haven't bought a M9 and I don't think I will. Even though my money/income has picked up lately. After reading of the problems that have plagued the M9 and that it is slow, and that won't improve because of the base electronics in the camera, I really don't feel like being a beta tester again for Leica at my expense. Since I already have the first digital M, a M8, that still take stellar images I'll wait for the next version that maybe Leica will finally get right out of the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted November 6, 2009 Share #236 Posted November 6, 2009 This sort of thing mainly. Comes down to credibility. And yes I can afford them its not a money gripe thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted November 7, 2009 Share #237 Posted November 7, 2009 With each passing day, the M9 becomes even less and less appealing to me. I still prefer the IQ of the M8, overall. Let's see what the M10 looks like, but at $9000.00, I doubt I will be interested in that either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted November 7, 2009 Share #238 Posted November 7, 2009 Wilf I think the image quality 8/9 is fine. No problems with that at all. Good enough now and good enough in ten years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 7, 2009 Share #239 Posted November 7, 2009 With each passing day, the M9 becomes even less and less appealing to me. I still prefer the IQ of the M8, overall. I know you don't own an M9 - neither do I - could you point us towards the photographs that have led you to believe that the M8 posseses the better image quality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmanley Posted November 7, 2009 Share #240 Posted November 7, 2009 With each passing day, the M9 becomes even less and less appealing to me. I still prefer the IQ of the M8, overall. Let's see what the M10 looks like, but at $9000.00, I doubt I will be interested in that either. I absolutely cannot understand that! I love my M8's but the M9 is full-frame and 18MP. What's not to like? This is the digital camera that I have been waiting for since I switched from film Leica M's to digital Canons (only because there was no digital Leica M!!) They said it couldn't be done, but they did it. Why would you prefer the IQ of the M8? I have both and, for anything important, I'll use the M9. My M8s will hold other lenses until I can afford two more M9's!! Tina Tina Manley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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